Wonder Woman -Joss Whedon Take

[Princess Ivy]

*blows kiss* hey big dragon, long time no see!

[Brown Rat]

I don't care about the costume (except for the bracelets). I care about the choice of actress to play Wonder Woman, and the depiction of the character in Joss's screenplay.

I trust Joss to hit all the right notes in characterization, given the female characters he's created in other shows and on film. But I wonder who will be cast in the role.

Awhile back, I heard something to the effect that he wasn't looking for a particular age range in casting an actress to play Wonder Woman, because the screenplay doesn't focus on issues specific to either younger or older women. From what he--or someone else?--said, culture-clash rather than age-specific issues is a theme. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

[Trey Greyjoy]

Im going to weigh in on the side of jettisoning the costume in favor of something more original. I agree with the sentiments expressed earlier about Wolverines outfit.
The concept of WW is very original and could be really interesting to explore.

[BookStop]

So who do y'all think would be a good candidate to play WW? (tall and curvy)

I read on page says Morena Baccarin and another says Kate Beckinsale - neither Amazonian.

[Cobolt]

How about an Australian, Dame Edna Average springs to mind.

[Princess Ivy]

i've always thought Cher could do it, in her younger days.

[Brown Rat]

Maybe Charisma Carpenter, to keep it in the Joss family?

[Cobolt]

the problem with Joss Whedon is his movies are not as successful as his television, Alien 3 was poor, Serenity I have not seen so cannot judge but even the Disney cartoon flick based on treasure island slammed.

I think he should work with a collaborator like the guy from Alias who made MI:3 or stick with what he does best. Television with excellent characters, storylines that grow with eahc episode and pretty good ideas (except season 4 of Buffy and that secret army thing! though HUSH is one of my favourite episodes).

[Trey Greyjoy]

Whats the Disney cartoon? I missed that one.

I think he's at least earned the right to give it a try.

[Crisspin]

Just a few comments here :

1. Joss and Movies -- If you have not seen Serenity how can you comment on his movies ... Serenity is the ONLY movie he has ever directed and it was very good. He did not direct Aliens 3, it was Aliens 4, and he only wrote it .. it was directed by Jean-Pierre Juenet (his only english language movie). He didn't even write Atlantis, he was brought on to help polish dialogue. He also wrote Toy Story and Titan A.E.

2. Someone commented on Sarah Michelle Geller not being a good actor ... her character was purposefully bubbly and ditzy. She acted that part, and if you watched the show consistency her character and the acting direction she took was far ranged and pretty deep.

3. It has been widely reported that his story will be a beginning story, with a young adult Wonder Woman, probably around 20. I doubt she will be large chested as that is exactly what Wonder Woman is NOT about. It sounds like he is moving away from the obvious top heavy, lets get the geeky boys in the theater with cheesy camp lines and lots of cleavage a la the TV show. Basically the exact same thing they did with the first Batman movie.

4. I sure hope they do move away from the costume in the books. It may look good in a comic panel, but it will simply look trashy on screen.


5. Joss and Wonder Woman Why? Wonder Woman is a female empowerment story. It is a tale and character that seems to fit exactly into Joss's talents. What else was Buffy about but this exact style of writing about strong women. He has basically made his career out of portraying strong and dynamic women.

In conclusion, who knows if it will be any good. But given the directors out there, I don't see many others who I would want to see give it a shot. The story and characters fit his style, he is a fun dialogue writer and has done effects work. Maybe it will suck, but I think his resume lends him enough credit to give it a shot.

[Princess Ivy]

just to point out i watched buffy, and enjoyed it. i do understand the character and developement etc... but i've only ever seen her play 'buffy' no matter what film she has been in. based on that i say she can't act.
as for wonderwoman not being well built, i hate to be the one to break it, but she is an amazon, that is exactly how amazons are built. why do women have to be small chested to be considered empowered? that was for me one of the ways in which wonder woman did rock the boat. even in the age of feminism, where women had to be almost ugly, she could embody feminine attrictiveness without being simpering.
yes, wonderwoman is about character and empowerment, but first and foremost it is a superhero action story and should be treated as such. it should look good on screen.
as for wonderwoman being a start out story with her being in her twenties, according to the original scripting, the amazons had terrific longevity, princess diana was at one time enslaved by the greeks with the other amazons, therefore it'd have to be a historical piece to work as such.

[Crisspin]

Originally Posted by Princess Ivy

just to point out i watched buffy, and enjoyed it. i do understand the character and developement etc... but i've only ever seen her play 'buffy' no matter what film she has been in. based on that i say she can't act.

Alright, given that I have seen Scooby Doo 1 & 2 I will concede the point

Originally Posted by Princess Ivy

as for wonderwoman not being well built, i hate to be the one to break it, but she is an amazon, that is exactly how amazons are built. why do women have to be small chested to be considered empowered? that was for me one of the ways in which wonder woman did rock the boat. even in the age of feminism, where women had to be almost ugly, she could embody feminine attrictiveness without being simpering.
yes, wonderwoman is about character and empowerment, but first and foremost it is a superhero action story and should be treated as such. it should look good on screen.

I don't disagree .. I was just trying to point out that big boobs should not be the point of the story, nor a specific reason to higher an actress. I don't want to see Pamela Anderson as Wonder Woman. I want a quality actress and think if the movie is done properly it won't matter.

Originally Posted by Princess Ivy

as for wonderwoman being a start out story with her being in her twenties, according to the original scripting, the amazons had terrific longevity, princess diana was at one time enslaved by the greeks with the other amazons, therefore it'd have to be a historical piece to work as such.

True, but I think that is nothing more than adapting a comic book story to the screen. And I think it was more to represent that she is naive about men and the people of earth. Remember that when Trevor first crashes his plane, Diana is still in training with the Amazonians and treated not as a leader, but as a young princess. She has to prove herself first that she is strong enough to go and help the people of "earth" with their World War. That does not mean she did not spend 400 years training, as you are correct and she could be very very old .. I think that is just a way to tell an introductory story which shows that she needs to learn the ways of earth.

[Brown Rat]

Originally Posted by Crisspin

Joss and Wonder Woman Why? Wonder Woman is a female empowerment story. It is a tale and character that seems to fit exactly into Joss's talents. What else was Buffy about but this exact style of writing about strong women. He has basically made his career out of portraying strong and dynamic women.

I agree entirely with this, Crisspin. Joss's strength is in portraying strong women. That gives me great hope for his take on Wonder Woman.

[BookStop]

Is Jennifer Garner tall? She's athletic and young looking.

[Princess Ivy]

Originally Posted by Crisspin

I don't disagree .. I was just trying to point out that big boobs should not be the point of the story, nor a specific reason to higher an actress. I don't want to see Pamela Anderson as Wonder Woman. I want a quality actress and think if the movie is done properly it won't matter.

fair enough, but this is the sort of role where like superman, a certain 'look' is also important. i get very tired of people telling me i can't be 'serious' 'intelligent' etc... just because i look a certain way and as i said before it is one of the more apealing traits of the character.

Originally Posted by Crisspin

True, but I think that is nothing more than adapting a comic book story to the screen. And I think it was more to represent that she is naive about men and the people of earth. Remember that when Trevor first crashes his plane, Diana is still in training with the Amazonians and treated not as a leader, but as a young princess. She has to prove herself first that she is strong enough to go and help the people of "earth" with their World War. That does not mean she did not spend 400 years training, as you are correct and she could be very very old .. I think that is just a way to tell an introductory story which shows that she needs to learn the ways of earth.

but then by the same token, back to he costume, that looked great in the TV series.
As for story line, there was a chapter in the books, back pre-crisis days, where diana was challenged to fight for her role. the new wonderwoman won because she concentrated on the tasks at hand and diana went on to save people from the consequesnces of those bodged tasks. the other wonderwoman went to earth and diana couldn't stay behind on paradise island so snuck back for her old life. the new wonderwoman couldn't adjust to life on earth etc...
i've always thought that could be a great storyline for a film.