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Old 7th December 2007, 09:55 PM   #70 (permalink)
Giovanna Clairval
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Re: Cliches.....are they really all that bad?

Stereotypes. bad; archetypes, good, sehr gut.

The archetypes are models, original ideas from which the real things procede in our sensible (meaning "that can be experienced through the senses") world, according to Plato.

But we use this term today in its psychological meaning, as it was introduced by Carl Gustav Jung.

And this definition is interesting for us because it introduces the concept of collective unconscious.


"The collective unconscious is a part of the psyche which can be negatively distinguished from a personal unconscious by the fact that is does not, like the latter, owe its existence to personal experience and consequently is not a personal acquisition. While the personal unconscious is made up essentially of contents which have at one time been conscious, but which have disappeared from consciousness through having been forgotten or repressed, the contents of the collective unconscious have never been in consciousness, and therefore have never been individually acquired but owe their existence exclusively to heredity. Whereas the personal unconscious consists for the most part of complexes, the content of the collective unconscious is made up essentially of archetypes.

"The concept of the archetype, which is an indispensable correlate to the idea of the collective unconscious, indicates the existence of definite forms in the psyche which seem to be present always and everywhere. Mythological research calls them "motifs"; in the psychology of primitives they correspond to Levy-Bruhl's concept of "representations collectives," and in the field of comparative religion they have been defined by Hubert and Mauss as "categories of the imagination." Adolf Bastian long ago called them "elementary" or "primordial thoughts." From these references, it should be clear enough that my idea of the archetype -- literally a pre-existent form -- does not stand alone, but is something that is recognized and named in other fields of knowledge.

"My thesis, then, is as follows: In addition to our immediate consciousness, which is of a thoroughly personal nature and which we believe to be the only empirical psyche (even if we tack on the personal unconscious as an appendix), there exists a second psychic system of a collective, universal, and impersonal nature which is identical in all individuals. This collective unconscious does not develop individually, but is inherited. It consists of pre-existent forms, the archetypes, which can only become conscious secondarily and which give definite form to certain psychic contents."

From "The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious", Collected Works, Vol. 9.i, pars. 87-110. Lecture by C.G. Jung (1936)

So, every character we can come up with is rooted in the collective unconscious, and when we treat it as a cardboard character, it comes in stereo
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