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8th August 2007, 02:32 AM
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| Thaphireth!  Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC She keeps the Tears of Lys In a pretty cabinet Let them eat hot pies, she says Just like Walder and his get. A built in remedy For Loras and Margaery At anytime an invitation Bronn won't decline. Caviar and needlework Sandor is such a jerk Extraordinarily nice She's a killer Queen Dragonbone and Valyrian (pronouce Va-lee-ree-yen) Stick 'em with the pointy end. Guaranteed to blow your mind. Anytime. That's how I see... but then I haven't thought much about it.  |
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23rd August 2007, 08:32 AM
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC I may be looking for conspiracies in too many places, but I need to ask... Who is the waif? In the three Arya chapters in AFFC, there is an unnamed character that Arya thinks of as "the Waif". She is there when the "Kindly Man" greets Arya. She and Arya teach each other rudiments of each other's language. Arya is frustrated that the Waif picks up the Common Tongue of Westeros far quicker than Arya learns Braavosi. The Waif admits to being thirty-six years old. The Kindly Man tells Arya the Waif's appearance (I take it he means height, i.e. her growth was stunted... I also take it that she can change her appearance like Jaqen) is due to poison. The Waif teaches Arya about poisons. The Waif also tells Arya about herself. In a nutshell, here are the facts about the Waif: Her family was ancient. Her family was noble. She was an only child. She was her father's heir. Her mother died. When she was six, her father remarried. Her stepmother was kind until she had her own daughter. Her stepmother poisoned her. The healers of the Red Hand saved her life. Her father brought her to the house of Black and White. Her stepmother was killed. She is pale and small. She is now thirty-six. Could this Waif be from Westeros? Her age appears to be rougly the same as Arya's... she was probably between 7-10 when she was poisoned. She says she does not remember her mother. She learns Westerosi quickly. If she left Westeros as a child and had been speaking Braavosi only for at least twenty-six years, then she'd have forgotten her native tongue. Perhaps it started to return when she spoke with Arya. She is from an ancient family. She is her father's heir. We do know that the laws of inheritance in the Seven Kingdoms favor the eldest son... except in Dorne where the eldest child inherits. Could she be Dornish? The one thing I did not tell you is that the Waif told Arya that she lied about one thing... and then she said she lied about lying. Arya never found out if there was a lie in the story or not. What could she have lied about? Her gender. Her stepmother's death. Her family. Her physicians. If she can change her appearance ala Jaqen, then the easiest lie is about her gender. I don't know what all this means. But the story sounds eerily similar to Sam's... and the Waif told this to Arya after Arya met Sam. And something on Arya's blindness... Arya goes blind after drinking the warm milk with some potion in it. We know this. But it's after she finally is able to see through part of the Waif's deception that she is blinded. Could the Kindly Man and the Waif have judged Arya ready to use her other peceptions now? |
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24th August 2007, 12:07 AM
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| Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC Just thinking out loud here... Tywin, iirc from a Jaime POV, tried to marry Jaime to Lysa Tully... and Jaime mused that instead of him she ended up with a man as old as her grandfather. Jon Arryn is characterized as an old man desperate at the time of Robert's Rebellion to get an heir. I seem to recall he'd been married before Lysa... how many times? The two most ancient and powerful of the Andalish families in Westeros are the Lannisters and the Arryns. Could Jon have had his second wife killed for poisoning his daughter? Ironic then that his third wife killed him. Could the waif be a possible heir to the Eyrie? |
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24th August 2007, 08:41 PM
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| Opinionated Procastinator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC Wait? You actually want to stir around in TKs mind and see what pops up? Seriously? Youre like to get various Star Wars quotes coupled with 80s pop songs in some sort of bizarre Frankensteinien combination...but I digress. To stay on point....this is as far a reach as youve ever made. So its probably the one thats going to hit. Theres really no way to support or deny it because its so far fetched. |
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25th August 2007, 08:57 PM
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| Opinionated Procastinator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Virginia
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC You were serious about that? That wasnt a joke? Bahahahahahahahahahahaha...... I need to conspire....err breathe I mean.....bahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Deep conspiring......bahahahahahahahaha You just made my day...thanks Boaz |
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26th August 2007, 06:05 PM
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC I was rereading AGOT last night. Remember when Arya gets lost and overhears Varys and Illyrio? Just before that she blunders into the hall with the dragon skulls. There is hardly any light and Arya gets scared by the "monsters". As she runs on, she runs out of light. If the room with the monsters had been dark, the hall was the blackest pit in the seven hells... but even when she gave her eyes time to adjust, there was nothing to see... She wiggled her fingers in front of her face, felt the air move, saw nothing. She was blind. AGOT - 342 (US paperback) Just like her last POV in AFFC. She was blind. Under the Red Keep, Arya controlled her fears and did better in total darkness than she did in semi-light where she thought she saw monsters. Mayhaps, this is a foreshadowing of rapid progress that Arya is about to make. |
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27th August 2007, 04:33 AM
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| I Do Not Sow  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada
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| Re: Arya's last pov chapter AFFC Quote:
Yoda by Weird Al Yankovick (sung to the tune of Lola by The Kinks) I met him in a swamp down in Dagobah Where it bubbles all the time like a giant carbonated soda S-O-D-A, soda I saw the little runt sitting there on a log I asked him for his name and in a raspy voice he said "Yoda" Y-O-D-A, Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Well, I've been around, but I ain't never seen A guy who looks like a muppet, but he's wrinkled and green Oh, my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Well, I'm not dumb, but I can't understand How he can lift me in the air just by raising his hand Oh, my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Well, I left home just a week before And I've never ever been a Jedi before But Obi Wan, he set me straight, of course He said, "Go to Yoda and he'll show you the Force" Well I'm not the kind that would argue with Ben So it looks like I'm gonna start all over again With my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda So I used the Force I picked up a box I lifted some rocks While I stood on my head but, I won't forget what Yoda said He said, "Luke, stay away from the darker side And if you start to go astray, let the Force be your guide" Oh, my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda "I know Darth Vader's really got you annoyed But remember, if you kill him, then you'll be unemployed" Oh, my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Well, I heard my friends really got in a mess So I'm gonna have to leave Yoda I guess But I know that I'll be coming back some day I'll be playing this part 'till I'm old and gray The long-term contract I had to sign Says I'll be making these movies till the end of time Oh with my Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda Yo-yo-yo-yo Yoda | |
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