Arya's last pov chapter AFFC

[YOSSARIAN]

Maybe Jaqen is "Arya from the future" sent back in time to protect "Arya in the present" and if he/she kills him/her self the space-time continuum will be torn asunder...

[RhaegarTarg]

That.... or not.... i mean.... it makes complete sense and everything but i mean. its too good id say. it would just make everybody love it so much, it would kill millions. rioght

[Hot Pie]

I don't think Martin is the type of author to temporarily cripple a beloved character. Martin likes to hit his readers where it hurts. I think it was Tolstoy who said something to the effect that if you want your readers to really care about the characters, you have to inflict a lot of suffering on the characters.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Yes, but why permanently blind someone who is training to be a Faceless Man? That seems rather detrimental to the cause. I'm pretty sure they only need one candle-lighter in the temple.

[genisis2]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Yes, but why permanently blind someone who is training to be a Faceless Man? That seems rather detrimental to the cause. I'm pretty sure they only need one candle-lighter in the temple.

Dont know for sure if her blindness is permanent.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by genisis2

Dont know for sure if her blindness is permanent.

I was responding to Hot Pie's comment that he did not think that GRRM would temporarily cripple a character. Meaning that he thinks Arya's blind for good. But I don't see how such an action would serve the Faceless Men in any way... ?

[genisis2]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

I was responding to Hot Pie's comment that he did not think that GRRM would temporarily cripple a character. Meaning that he thinks Arya's blind for good. But I don't see how such an action would serve the Faceless Men in any way... ?

OOPS...LOL thats what I get for reading last post first. Sorry misunderstood.

[Kendack]

perhaps arya has indirect control over nymeria and this blindness is in place to improve her skills as a warg? who knows.... all this speculation is killing me!

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Kendack

perhaps arya has indirect control over nymeria and this blindness is in place to improve her skills as a warg? who knows.... all this speculation is killing me!

Yes, yes. That makes sense (although I think somebody else had a similar theory). And with Bran finding the Three-eyed crow, they could communicate somehow and know each other is still alive.

[Boaz]

I just had a thought regarding Arya becoming a Faceless Man.

Eddard told Arya that she strongly resembled Lyanna in both appearance and manner. Which characters still have strong memories of Lyanna? I daresay all of the northern lords and ladies remember and that a number of the powerful southern lords and ladies also. If Arya were to reappear in her late teens but not claiming to be a Stark, I wonder how many would still put two and two together. It could be said that becoming a Faceless Man is completely necessary for Arya's survival. What would a new Lyanna do to Westeros? Would someone decide to try and father a son on her to produce TPTWP?

Many characters have noted Sansa's strong physical resemblence to Catelyn. Sansa will never be able to change her appearance like Arya. She'll have to rely upon her abilities when she reappears to the kingdom. She'll never be able to disappear again. She'll have the burden of carrying the Stark name and the Tully looks.

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Maybe "Jaqen H'gar" isn't his real name. Maybe he chose the name of a loved one to be his, just as Arya chose "Cat" as her name for a time. If she asked for him to kill a person of that name and it was someone he truly cared for, I could understand him being upset, regardless of how he felt about death.

I dont think he has chosen name of the loved one to be his fake name. In AFFC prologue we find out that when Faceless Man takes someone elses body he takes his identity also. What is the point of taking over body if u can't use his identity?

Also if he was afraid of dying because he had task to do could it be that task was to kill Baelon Greyjoy? Very posible.

About Arya's blindness, I think that is lesson she has to learn. She is not master of life and death, she is servant. I guess that blind kid made same mistake. He, like Arya killed som1 who in eyes of Faceless Man did not need to die. I think they have like some rules for killing people. I can think of 3 rules.

1. Kill only people who u have orders to kill.
2. If u need to kill some people in process do it.
3. If som1 save ur life (steals your life from Gods of death) pay him back with free kill.

[AandKsavetheDAY]

Since Arya is and will remain my fave character, I've spent a while thinking about this. I always thought that she was blinded because she proved that she was unable to throw away the Stark part of her (killing Dareon=staying Stark) which she must do to become what she's training to become. I think the old man was trying to limit her, because to him she was not doing what she should have. I think that she will overcome her blindness, but whether or not she regains her sense of sight is a different matter. If she becomes a faceless...person, and can take on the visage of anyone, it won't matter if she's blind or not, she'll be able to see with another's eyes.

On the topic of Jaquen, I think everyone is overlooking something: He hesitated when she hinted at his name, but would have consented. Anyone would hesitate (at the very least) when told by someone they owed that they should kill themself. Yet, he would have done it if she had insisted. I'm sure he was not a faceless man in training, he was legit. (haha)
Question, though: I know some people said that maybe Jaquen got the coin from his trainig, or some such thing. Why, then, would any Braavosi accept it? I think that coin was more important than that, but it could also have just been something minor that won't come up again.

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by AandKsavetheDAY

Question, though: I know some people said that maybe Jaquen got the coin from his trainig, or some such thing. Why, then, would any Braavosi accept it? I think that coin was more important than that, but it could also have just been something minor that won't come up again.

I think that everyone in Braavos know about Faceless Man. And the way to know that som1 is faceless man is that person has iron coin without face. What I don't understand is why people were saying their names to Arya and giving her things. It could be that they think she will spare them if she sees them again. Or perhaps they are thinking about free service from Faceless Man?
Just some thoughts.

[Robbedo]

Alright guys, this is the first time I'm posting. I think that what a lot of people have forgotten (Even I forgot until I re-read it) but when Arya chooses to throw all her things away, the priest warns her that to become a Faceless Man she must give up everything he says something like (I don't have the book in front of me but you should get the jist) "It will take your eyes, your ears, your heart everything, are you sure this is what you want?"

I have a theory that as the Faceless Men are servants of death is there not a possibility that they themselves are dead? It might explain some of there abilities? And to prove themselves worthy they give up every part of there life and all the things that they take for granted (Posessions, sight, hearing, and probably movement and then life).

I agree with the other people who say it is part of her training. If she is not worthy she would give up the training because she is blind.

Likewise (Not backing up my theory but just speculating) the waif who is Aryas companion was brought to the Faceless men having been poisoned. Her father made sacrifices to the Faceless God (I think he killed his new wife - and we all know only life can pay for death).

Lot to think about can't wait till the new book comes out.

Laters

[Young stormlord]

wow, faceless man dead? I can't believe this. Then why would Jaquen be afraid to die then?