The Valonqar

[Dolorous Edd]

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Oh...I just now understood what you meant by this...Tommen is Cerseis younger brother too.....eeewww twincest is digusting.

Surely not? Cersei + Jaime = Son/Daughter + Niece/Nephew

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Darn it....okay I was wrong...somehow I thought....ohh nevermind....Im confused....needless to say I dont contemplate brother sister love often. Thank whatever divinity you worship for that....

[TK-421]

Tommen is Joff's and Myrcella's younger brother. We have yet to learn of Myrcella's faith but something tells me she is liking very much living in Dorne and will oppose her brother and mother wheh Dany comes a conquering. Dragons can be very awe-inspiring for a 12-14? year old girl with a little bit of ambition now that she's out her family's shadow.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Plus, Jaime's a got a golden hand.

Apologies for bringing this up again, but I came across a reference in AFFC just the other day, where Jaime actually contemplates throttling Varys... and reflects that his golden hand would be no use for this.

[Peeves]

Also there is this theory in some cultures, that twins share a soul,because of this in those cultures one of the twins is killed, they say that if they did not do this the twins themsleves would battle for the soul throughout their lives eventually one coming on top of the other and beating the other from it. (Or something like that - hey its been a while since i learned this but it comes down to that more or less)

Because of this i am thinking it will be Jaime, especially since they have had such a close bond with each other, Jaime till now seemed more attached to Cersei (thus atm cesei according to theory was holding majority of the soul ---> holding power over Jaime), in the last books that is changing and it is now jaime who is bassically holding power over Cersei, she bassically needs jamie to come and rescue her.

[TK-421]

Agree Raven, however, Jaime has been practicing ALOT with Ilyn Payne to improve his remaining hand and arm. Should he make it strong enough, it could be sufficient for throttling sweet Cersei.

I don't see it really happening unless he sees her as a direct threat to Tommen (whom he seems to have a soft spot for and realizes Robert ignored and Cersei has attempted to make into another Joff) or his place in the Kingsguard, which he is taking very seriously these days.

[red_temple]

I have visions of Jaime strangling Cersei with his "golden" hand. Now that magic is starting to get much more than a toe-hold on the world, I believe that Jaime's golden hand may actually become part of his body, and fully functional.

I also think that Ser Illyn will try to betray Jaime during one of their sparring sessions and attempt to kill him. But Jaime will choose this moment to reveal that he has use of his right hand and slay Ser Illyn.

Does anyone else have a similar feeling about this?

[the smiling weirwood]

Originally Posted by red_temple

I have visions of Jaime strangling Cersei with his "golden" hand. Now that magic is starting to get much more than a toe-hold on the world, I believe that Jaime's golden hand may actually become part of his body, and fully functional.

I also think that Ser Illyn will try to betray Jaime during one of their sparring sessions and attempt to kill him. But Jaime will choose this moment to reveal that he has use of his right hand and slay Ser Illyn.

Does anyone else have a similar feeling about this?

How? Even if magic is coming back, it takes years of study and sacrifice to make it happen. This is told to us by Jaqen, who was only casting a glamor. Who knows what it would take to animate a lump of metal.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Agree Raven, however, Jaime has been practicing ALOT with Ilyn Payne to improve his remaining hand and arm. Should he make it strong enough, it could be sufficient for throttling sweet Cersei.

You misunderstand... it's not that it's not strong enough, it's that it's not flexible enough. He reflects that he could smash Varys' teeth in with it, but not throttle him.

[red_temple]

Originally Posted by the smiling weirwood

How? Even if magic is coming back, it takes years of study and sacrifice to make it happen. This is told to us by Jaqen, who was only casting a glamor. Who knows what it would take to animate a lump of metal.

Valid question. The answer is: I don't know. It is just a feeling I get. Perhaps something will happen to Jaime to cause this, or perhaps someone else will cause this to happen for him.

However, given that the dead are now coming back to a somewhat coherent life (i.e. Dondarrion and Cat), I would think that this kind of magic is small potatoes.

[TK-421]

One hand should be enough for a guy like Jaime to kill his sister. However, he may have some problems with that double chin of hers.

Personally, I think Arya would get alot more satisfaction out of killing Cersei than Jaime would. I'm beginning to think that may be a moer likely scenario. Jaime killing Cersei may be either a great weight off his shoulders or haunt him for the rest of his days.

You're probably right that in the end, Tyrion may do her in.

Then there's Littlefinger who seems to have it in for Cersei. Can't imagine why...Just her orchestrating the death of the love of his life: Catelyn...

[Peeves]

Tywin did that

[TK-421]

Fine, Tywin was the principle architect if that gruesome event, but nobody has really presented any argument why Littlefinger would have it in so much for Cersei. Does he just associate her with the Lannister in power and them being responsible for Cat's death?

P.S. I'd love to see him reunited with his long lost love. Wonder what he would think of her now. She would probably hang him too.

[Raven]

LF has no particular animus for Cersei that I can see: he even jokes about it in AFFC. It's just that he holds her in contempt.

[Funky Cthulu]

Originally Posted by Raven

LF has no particular animus for Cersei that I can see: he even jokes about it in AFFC. It's just that he holds her in contempt.

I think it irritates him that someone with so much power could be so damn stupid and incompetent - afterall, he started out with so little and he's had to anticipate every possible option just to stay alive.