The Valonqar

[Boaz]

Originally Posted by The Imp

Everyone knows that Bran is the younger brother that Maggie The Frog sees in her prophecy

It is not known. What is known is that Cersei thinks the Valonqar is Tyrion. If the Valonqar is Jon, then my crackpot ideas are right and Aerys fathered almost as many bastards as Robert. Uh, but I think the leading (and possibly only) candidates are Tyrion and Jaime.

[The Imp]

Originally Posted by Boaz

It is not known. What is known is that Cersei thinks the Valonqar is Tyrion. If the Valonqar is Jon, then my crackpot ideas are right and Aerys fathered almost as many bastards as Robert. Uh, but I think the leading (and possibly only) candidates are Tyrion and Jaime.

Sorry Boaz, my comment there was sarcasm dripping with venom. I have to live up to my namesake once in a while.

[Boaz]

I wondered, but there are so many crazy ideas that sometimes I take jokes seriously. Boazes are notoriously gullible.

[The Imp]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I wondered, but there are so many crazy ideas that sometimes I take jokes seriously. Boazes are notoriously gullible.

SOrry for the confusion Boaz. I wish there was a convention we could use that indicated sarcasm. On another forum I post on, sarcastic remarks are expected to be in green colored font. Anyway, everyone really knows it's RICKON.

Actually, did Maggie mention whose younger brother it would be? I don't think so. I just remember her saying THE Valonqar, not YOUR. hmmmm.

here I go again.

Wouldn't is be ironic if Rickon as Shaggy Dog, or Bran as Summer, ended up ripping Cersei's throat out.

[Boaz]

No need to apologize, I should have a better grip on your posts by now. It's just that it was in respone to Alexisonfire's very first post...

I just posted on Why say Tyrion's a Targ? that I cannot keep all the postulations, prognostications, crackpot theories, and jokes straight anymore. It's all too confusing...

[The Imp]

Originally Posted by Boaz

No need to apologize, I should have a better grip on your posts by now. It's just that it was in respone to Alexisonfire's very first post...

I just posted on Why say Tyrion's a Targ? that I cannot keep all the postulations, prognostications, crackpot theories, and jokes straight anymore. It's all too confusing...

I agree, and i can only imagine how hard it's been for those of you that have been waiting since 2005 for ADWD. I remember how crazy I was by thed time King finished The Dark Tower series, and there really wasn't much there to speculate about, but just the waiting between books was awful

I'm going to make a personal appeal to GRRM to get it done.

Maybe he'll listen

[Boaz]

No, don't harrass the man. Let him live in peace. I believe that the more normal of a life that he lives, the better he'll cope with this monster of a tale in the long run. I hope he has a great time watching the Super Bowl with his friends. I hope he takes long naps on the couch. I hope he holds hand with Parris on evening walks.

[The Imp]

Originally Posted by Boaz

No, don't harrass the man. Let him live in peace. I believe that the more normal of a life that he lives, the better he'll cope with this monster of a tale in the long run. I hope he has a great time watching the Super Bowl with his friends. I hope he takes long naps on the couch. I hope he holds hand with Parris on evening walks.

I promise I won't harrass him. I'm still adding to that peom I wrote, and will be sending it to him when it's done.

[TK-421]

I am currently doing a re-read of AFFC in advance of ADWD coming out. The book is even better the second time around.

Anyways, in Cersei's first chapter of AFFC when she is woken after Tywin was assassinated, she refers to Tyrion as her Valonquar twice. Once at the beginning of the chapter and once at the end.

I will keep a running tab as to whether or not Valonquar is mentionned again.

[Needle]

Originally Posted by TK-421

I am currently doing a re-read of AFFC in advance of ADWD coming out. The book is even better the second time around.

Anyways, in Cersei's first chapter of AFFC when she is woken after Tywin was assassinated, she refers to Tyrion as her Valonquar twice. Once at the beginning of the chapter and once at the end.

I will keep a running tab as to whether or not Valonquar is mentionned again.

I am convinced Cersei is in for a big surprise, her Valonquar is Jaime not Tyrion!

[Mesanna]

Agree 100% Needle. I've thought this for a long time.

[The Imp]

The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.

[Mesanna]

I know it could be any little brother, but I rather like the irony if it were Jaime. Cersei has focused on Tyrion ever since she heard this prophecy, and never once considered her other brother (though, why should she?) My second choice is Lancel, since he found religion. Maybe he's a brother of the faith, or something. I still want it to be Jaime though!

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by The Imp

The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.

Interesting bit is that in the last episode of GOT, we will see Rickon again when he and Bran share a prophetic dream.

[Needle]

Originally Posted by The Imp

The wording of the prohpeccy is THE Valonqar, not YOUR Valonmqar. The could mean any younger brother, Tommen for instance, or Rickon in the shape of Shaggy Dog, etc. The point is, it doesn't have to be Jaime or Tyrion.

I still think it should be Jaime yet it would be super cool if it turns out to be Rickon (Shaggy Dog)!