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Brys · 6th February 2006, 08:59 PM

Lol - when I read "something less Tolkienesque" I assumed you'd mean something still in epic fantasy, relatively traditional but with quite a few original ideas - like Bakker or Martin - but the Iron Dragon's Daughter is an anti-fantasy of the highest quality - completely subversive, takes all the stereotypes and turns them on their heads. An excellent novel, except I don't know whether I'd advise someone to go straight from WoT to Iron Dragon's Daughter.

davidnw23 · 8th February 2006, 06:28 PM

Yeah, it is a wonderful novel. I thought the guy would like it. It's just that occassionally these people that keep complaining about Tolkien ripoffs get to me a little bit. I like a bit of originality myself, but I realize there are no new stories. Lotr itself is based on anglo/saxon lit, especailly beowulf. There's so much out there. Erickson, Bakker and Martin or just a few examples. talk to you later
david

Snagas Tender Blades · 13th February 2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoegaze99

Jordan was very open in saying that he wanted the first book to remind one of The Lord of the Rings, in tone and style and substance. It was his goal. He wanted fantasy readers to feel a certain sense of comfort and familiarity heading into the saga.

So was this before or after people started to criticize him for it?

Boaz · 11th November 2007, 11:36 AM

STB and Shoegaze, I confess I've only read EOTW, so I may not be the most prepared person to speak on TWOT series.

I am going to give a brief synopsis of a story. You tell me if I am describing Tolkien or Jordan.

A quiet young man from a remote pastoral village is warned by a wizard that black fiends are coming to get him. The young man packs up with his three best friends and sets off to find the city of refuge... the wizard's hope is that a council may be convened and a plan may be devised regarding the Dark Lord. Anyway, as the black creatures close in, the young man and his friends escape by taking a ferry. On their journey, the young man and his companions are forced to flee from the first town after the young man accidentally reveals himself to the Dark Lord's spies. A ranger keeps the young man and his companions safe. It is revealed later that the ranger is really a prince, but that the prince is uncertain if he should continue as a ranger or pursue his throne. The wizard and ranger lead the party towards the lands of the Dark Lord, but they are pursued by enemies. Soooo, the party takes refuge by hiding in an old deserted city. The youngest and most inexperienced of the young companions foolishly awakens a nameless terror and the company is forced to flee pell mell.

LOTR or EOTW or both?

Talysia · 11th November 2007, 12:30 PM

That sounds a lot like parts of Eddings' Belgariad, too. The similarities between LotR and EotW did stand out a lot in my mind as I was reading the first book, but as a lot have said the story does move away from LotR later in the series. I'll probably be able to better compare the whole WoT to LotR depending on if/when the last book is written.

The Ace · 11th November 2007, 12:41 PM

No, LOTR is good.

elric01 · 15th November 2007, 04:35 PM

I agree. Lord of the Rings was good and these books suck after the fifth book. Dont waste your time reading these books as you will only be disappointed at how boring they are and how after reading thousands of pages nothing happens except Jordan living out his fantasy's of women spanking each other. The whole series seems to be a vehicle for him to imagine a whole world of women who get off on spanking each other. Waste of time completely!

Aegon the Unworthy · 16th November 2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elric01

I agree. Lord of the Rings was good and these books suck after the fifth book. Dont waste your time reading these books as you will only be disappointed at how boring they are and how after reading thousands of pages nothing happens except Jordan living out his fantasy's of women spanking each other. The whole series seems to be a vehicle for him to imagine a whole world of women who get off on spanking each other. Waste of time completely!

I love the hypocrisy...I read yer diatribe and then looked at your avatar.

Live in glass houses much?

Schweet.

6th February 2006, 08:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
Brys Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 809	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? Lol - when I read "something less Tolkienesque" I assumed you'd mean something still in epic fantasy, relatively traditional but with quite a few original ideas - like Bakker or Martin - but the Iron Dragon's Daughter is an anti-fantasy of the highest quality - completely subversive, takes all the stereotypes and turns them on their heads. An excellent novel, except I don't know whether I'd advise someone to go straight from WoT to Iron Dragon's Daughter.

8th February 2006, 06:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
davidnw23 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? Yeah, it is a wonderful novel. I thought the guy would like it. It's just that occassionally these people that keep complaining about Tolkien ripoffs get to me a little bit. I like a bit of originality myself, but I realize there are no new stories. Lotr itself is based on anglo/saxon lit, especailly beowulf. There's so much out there. Erickson, Bakker and Martin or just a few examples. talk to you later david

11th November 2007, 11:36 AM	#19 (permalink)
Boaz Thaphireth! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,524	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? STB and Shoegaze, I confess I've only read EOTW, so I may not be the most prepared person to speak on TWOT series. I am going to give a brief synopsis of a story. You tell me if I am describing Tolkien or Jordan. A quiet young man from a remote pastoral village is warned by a wizard that black fiends are coming to get him. The young man packs up with his three best friends and sets off to find the city of refuge... the wizard's hope is that a council may be convened and a plan may be devised regarding the Dark Lord. Anyway, as the black creatures close in, the young man and his friends escape by taking a ferry. On their journey, the young man and his companions are forced to flee from the first town after the young man accidentally reveals himself to the Dark Lord's spies. A ranger keeps the young man and his companions safe. It is revealed later that the ranger is really a prince, but that the prince is uncertain if he should continue as a ranger or pursue his throne. The wizard and ranger lead the party towards the lands of the Dark Lord, but they are pursued by enemies. Soooo, the party takes refuge by hiding in an old deserted city. The youngest and most inexperienced of the young companions foolishly awakens a nameless terror and the company is forced to flee pell mell. LOTR or EOTW or both?

11th November 2007, 12:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
Talysia Lady of Autumn Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 3,233	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? That sounds a lot like parts of Eddings' Belgariad, too. The similarities between LotR and EotW did stand out a lot in my mind as I was reading the first book, but as a lot have said the story does move away from LotR later in the series. I'll probably be able to better compare the whole WoT to LotR depending on if/when the last book is written.

11th November 2007, 12:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
The Ace Scottish Roman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Perth and Kinross Posts: 2,186	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? No, LOTR is good.

15th November 2007, 04:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
elric01 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 10	Re: Is WoT a long winded copy of LOTR? I agree. Lord of the Rings was good and these books suck after the fifth book. Dont waste your time reading these books as you will only be disappointed at how boring they are and how after reading thousands of pages nothing happens except Jordan living out his fantasy's of women spanking each other. The whole series seems to be a vehicle for him to imagine a whole world of women who get off on spanking each other. Waste of time completely!

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