Rhaegar's book

[KiwiBird]

Well, the Reader from the ironIslands, has read the same book Aermon mentioned to Jon. It was mentioned in AFFC somewhere.

[Charming Serpent]

Ok, maybe I am cranky, but do some of u people not read the books properly??? Some of the stuff I hear from u guys is ludacris. I'll try and explain some of ur questions ... Not once is it mentioned what the book is called that Rhaegar sees the prophecy and furthermore, who cares??? The prince that was promised is a well known legend 8000 years old so of course people know about it. Rhaegar found something that made him think it was him. Aemon later states it was he who thought that and then told Rhaegar. thas most likely what happened with Rhaegar appearing in the sword yard when little. Then Aemon says later in life Rhaegar thought it was his own son cuz a comet was seen when he was born. And as to this theory that Aegon is alive ... c'mon people, there isnt even a hint of that. He wasnt switched etc... Clegane admits to smashing his head and why would they just take Aegon and not the lil princess? Also, in Jaime's dream/vision of being under the Rock Rhaegar states he left jaime with his children. And this Tyrion crap ... when he was young he wanted to fly on a dragon. Obviously Martin will grant him his wish cuz at the readings from Martin, Mopatis steers him to Danys, but just cuz he lit the river aflame doesnt mean jack. Aemon didnt think anything more about the prophecies cuz he thought he and Rhaegar were just plain wrong until he heard about Danys. Also, we all know that only Howland Reed still knows what happened with Rhaegar and Lyanna since he was there with Ned when they found her, but Martin once said when asked about who knew about Jon's true parents "The Shadow knows" Dany must go through Asshaii to get to Westeros or so says that masked red woman. Lightbringer most like will be found there or even maybe the wall. Martin also says that the Valryian targaryen sword will make an appearance, called Blackflame or or something near enough.

[viZion]

Originally Posted by Charming Serpent

Ok, maybe I am cranky, but do some of u people not read the books properly???

Ohh..you sound fun.. once you figure out how to use paragraphs to make your thoughts easier to read...

Oh wait, I think I'm not supposed to rag on you until you get to 18 posts. I'm still new here, too.

[Charming Serpent]

Lol, ok. Obviously I was a tad bit cranky, so sorry for angry demeanor. For the life of me I cannot find how to make paragraphs either, lol.

I also forgot to mention something; Aemon, when dying, refers to how the wall preserves and how he should get back there to let Jon know something. I believe it might have to do with a dragon egg or perhaps one of the two swords I had previously mentioned. Of course, it was stated that the Golden Company is heading for Dany also and they were founded by Daemon Blackfyre's half brother who were all part targaryen so, they might have the Targaryen sword with them.

Last clear up point: In Dany's vision in the House of the Undying, she does see Rhaegar standing over a woman, but it is not Lyanna. He calls the baby boy the Prince Who was Promised and states that there must be one more. Implying that the boy is Aegon and his sister is the other, but that the dragon must have 3 heads. The woman in the bed is most like Elia. Unfortunately, Rhaegar's theory was proved wrong when Lannisters killed his children. So, I would assume that Jon, Dany and one more (most like Tyrion, though also most like he is not a Targaryen, will ride the Dragons.)

[viZion]

Heh, no problem. Welcome to these forums!

See, the way I always interpreted it was that Rhaegar says there must be one more so he goes to make that one more with Lyanna and produces Jon. Of course, the first two die so if Jon is one and then Dany is another, we still need one more. Most speculation seems to be about who the third is and, of course, there's even a lot of disagreement about who the first two are. But I think that's what you're saying as well.

[KiwiBird]

When did GRRM mention that Blackfyre would make an appearance? There is much speculation about the sword but other then that... .

Besides in the end blackfyre seems like 'just' another valyrian sword, more interesting would be to find out if there are descendants left of the Great Bastards.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Okay Im gonna say this again....

In one of them correspondence with fans George has done...he was asked if Rhaegars children were actually dead...

August 06, 2000
Elia’s Children
I was wondering if you could answer (or take the "fifth") one teeny little question I've been dying to ask for the past year: Are Aegon and Rhaenys, Elia's children, well and truly dead?

All I have to say is that there is absolutely no doubt that little Princess Rhaenys was dragged from beneath her father's bed and slain.

Thats the beginning of why we think Aegon is alive....theres more of course....

[Tysha]

Charming Serpent - in the House of Undying, Rhaegar is holding Aegon while telling Dany that there have to be one more - don't you think it's a HINT that Aegon is alive? (And he is SO going to be a head of the dragon!)

[Charming Serpent]

I agree with Viz on his last post, most assuredly. And Kiwi. No doubt on Blackfyre being just another sword and I wish and hope there would be more of the Blackfyre descendants, but I know its been mentioned alot about the last of those pretenders being killed on the stepstones. But, GRRM has shown that there are many PoV that don't agree and hidden things as well. Maybe some live and just gave up claim to the throne?
Oh, he mentioned about the sword in an interview he did on-line that I was reading. I don't remember the date, but I read it a few months ago. Someone asked what had happened to the Targaryen's sword since all the other houses had one and he mentioned that it would be revealed upcoming.
As to his comment about Rhaegars little girl being absolutely dead and leaving us hanging on the others: I mean, yeah, its possible and even tantilizing, but from my perspective, he usually drops or leaves even some obscure clues in the books and I've tried my damnednest to find one for Aegon, but just can't. Though I would love it if it were true.

If anyone has anymore theories though I'd be more than glad to hear them. Its rare I get to converse with people who know alot about the books in detail.

[Charming Serpent]

See Tysh, I personally think due to her seeing her father talk to Rossart about leaving Robert only bones and ashes that she was just seeing the past in those last two visions. The last being her brother holding his newborn son and speaking to Elia, though I do not believe he told her of the prophecy. Whether he had intended to have one more child through her or not I believe that was him in the past before the rebellion. Lets not forget that as of now, for all we know, in the books it has been stated how he and Aemon both misinterpreted and were wrong about the prophecy. Also, we know Dany was reborn in the Dothraki Sea amidst smoke and salt. Aemon now firmly believes as well as the mad mage that Dany is TPTWP i.e Azhor himself. Siting that it was a foul up in the translation that he and Rhaegar were misled by.

Dragons are neither male nor female, as changeable as the candle flame or something like that he said. Also said they had been looking for a Prince and they had thought themselves so wise, he and Rhaegar, but were fools. not a Princess and that Barth, whose books were burned 1000 years ago had it right about such.

[Charming Serpent]

Cripe, now its really bugging me if Aegon is still alive now and I can't fall asleep due to my brain toying with new ideas now. Has GRRM given anymore clues or said anything more on the subject? Is there some text in the books I have overlooked? Then my mind wanders to who would shelter the child or swicthed I might say, what House, if any? Darry? Dayne? Is Edric Dayne, really Aegon? That would coincide with the age he i, but why is he named after Ned when Ned helped kill the Sword of the Morning? Perhaps Aegon was sent to the Golden company and any last Blackfyre survivors? And perhaps last, though I truly hope not, is Jon then Aegon or was he switched with the real Aegon as well?

Lol, Thanks alot guys. Now I will have no sleep and this will bother me until answers are given and the books come out!! Lol

[pan naranus]

a small correction -
dany was born in dragonstone which is actually between salt and smoke. Reborn on the Dothraki Sea? you mean between salt of tears and fire of Drogos altar?

[Charming Serpent]

Correct, my error.

[viZion]

I've never liked the idea of baby Aegon being alive. It's just really pushing the whole thing where "dead" characters come back to life. It's already borderline ridiculous how many characters don't stay dead. Let the dead die, I say.

[KiwiBird]

We have Catelyn, we have the others, We had Beric Dondarrion, who else?