Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

orionsixwings · 26th January 2006, 08:20 PM

managed to grab me a copy of the first two books and I am already hooked on this story. no doubt that it would soon be converted into film soon, so I joined message boards for it already.

Anyway, back to the books. Pullman's style is very good. The story is somewhat a cross between sci-fi and fantasy with a bit of religion in it (although most of it can be considered allegories). Love the way he describes things -- especially from the point of view of an 11-year-old protagonist. You get to see the events from her point of view, but understand it from yours too.

Anyone here who has read this piece of work? If you haven't, you should. It's really good.

nixie · 26th January 2006, 08:29 PM

I've read the series not bad.Good YA material

Thadlerian · 26th January 2006, 08:39 PM

His Dark Materials... ooh, yes!
Like you, I got hooked right away. I think it was the setting most of all. Alternative reality with dæmons, clockwork and just a little touch of steampunk. But just as much the Lyra character. Strong and flawed, that's how it should be

Philip Pullman strikes me as a man who knows precisely what he's doing. He understands the formula, and uses it excellently. He writes Young Adult fiction that truly respects the reader, challenging their intelligence and norms. He's quite on par with Astrid Lindgren, which is probably why he won the recently founded Astrid Lindgren Memorial Award.

Northern Lights/The Golden Compass seems to me to be the ideal YA Fantasy, even though it alone presents themes more mature than a lot of adult fantasy. The maturity progresses through book 2 and 3, although it may be a bit much of the good thing.

I've also read Count Karlstein, which goes more along the lines of Magical Realism, and is nearly as excellent.

orionsixwings · 26th January 2006, 08:56 PM

Wow! Thanks for that. I wanted to expand my library and those books might just be what I need.

Anyway, I really found the theme and plot of the stories too dark for chilren---yet the books are in the children's book section in the bookstore.

I love the way he wrote the convo's, gives you a clear picture of the person. You immediately see the difference between speakers. Love his style.

HieroGlyph · 26th January 2006, 10:36 PM

I also read this trilogy after some friends recommended them...

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I quite enjoyed them. But... I never did fathom the point of dæmons though. I expected a decent explanation. I also lost the whole reason for the Amber Glass itself as a use within Will and Lyra's story... (sorry, I know: not aimed at older adults!) I still enjoyed them!!!

Guess I am a sore bear. I read these with the possible hope of getting my friends to read a recommendation of mine, but.... *sob* No luck! What is that about? Grown men prefering Pullman over Erikson or Bakker!?!

I do wonder why the original poster is so keen to see Dark Materials on the big screen though. Books are better, yeah? Besides, we all want Gemmel on the big screen!!!

I havent forgotten Astrid Lindgren quite yet, btw

(sry, not in the most agreeable mood, am I...)

orionsixwings · 27th January 2006, 12:03 AM

Well, the dæmons issue is I believe related to the concept that there is a separate entity inside humans called a "Soul" , except in Lyra's world the soul is not inside, it's outside, and it is really 'separate' as in a living breathing being/creature/entity, connected but not physically part of, the human.

Good thing there aren't any Dementors in her world --- can you imagine if there were and they'd feed on souls? That would be a totally gruesome story!

euphemist · 27th January 2006, 08:54 AM

I read them and loved them. Have since cooerced a number of friends to do the same.

I tried reading some of his other books but couldn't get into them.

Marky Lazer · 27th January 2006, 09:08 AM

I only read the screenplay, and I enjoyed a fair bit.

GOLLUM · 27th January 2006, 09:53 AM

You can addd me to the list of Pullman fans, I qiute enjoyed the books and found them something of page turner.

I, Brian · 27th January 2006, 06:08 PM

My girlfriend read them and generally enjoyed them - but expressed disappointment with the ending.

orionsixwings · 27th January 2006, 06:21 PM

Don't say it! I haven't finished with it yet!

lol!

I love the way he flawed the characters --- that was really very clever. I hate Mary Sues and almost impossible character perfection -- even in fantasy there can never be anyone without flaws.

orionsixwings · 27th January 2006, 06:22 PM

I'm glad that this is moved to YA section, but feel like it should have it's own section. Because if JK merits her own section, Philip Pullman should have one for himself too.

I, Brian · 27th January 2006, 06:37 PM

He may well do so - if there's another discussion about Pullman.

orionsixwings · 27th January 2006, 07:53 PM

Oh alright.

Back to topic --- heheheh!

The concept of having one's soul outside, animate and tangible, instead of what is normally believed as a spirit entity that only takes shape after death is a strange concept for me. But quite clever.

Foxtale · 1st February 2006, 11:27 PM

<_< The ending is so sad though.

Anyways, I like the idea of demons like how they've done it.

26th January 2006, 08:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy managed to grab me a copy of the first two books and I am already hooked on this story. no doubt that it would soon be converted into film soon, so I joined message boards for it already. Anyway, back to the books. Pullman's style is very good. The story is somewhat a cross between sci-fi and fantasy with a bit of religion in it (although most of it can be considered allegories). Love the way he describes things -- especially from the point of view of an 11-year-old protagonist. You get to see the events from her point of view, but understand it from yours too. Anyone here who has read this piece of work? If you haven't, you should. It's really good.

26th January 2006, 08:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
nixie pixie druid Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,752 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy I've read the series not bad.Good YA material

26th January 2006, 08:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Thadlerian Rattus Norvegicus Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 861	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy His Dark Materials... ooh, yes! Like you, I got hooked right away. I think it was the setting most of all. Alternative reality with dæmons, clockwork and just a little touch of steampunk. But just as much the Lyra character. Strong and flawed, that's how it should be Philip Pullman strikes me as a man who knows precisely what he's doing. He understands the formula, and uses it excellently. He writes Young Adult fiction that truly respects the reader, challenging their intelligence and norms. He's quite on par with Astrid Lindgren, which is probably why he won the recently founded Astrid Lindgren Memorial Award. Northern Lights/The Golden Compass seems to me to be the ideal YA Fantasy, even though it alone presents themes more mature than a lot of adult fantasy. The maturity progresses through book 2 and 3, although it may be a bit much of the good thing. I've also read Count Karlstein, which goes more along the lines of Magical Realism, and is nearly as excellent.

26th January 2006, 08:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy Wow! Thanks for that. I wanted to expand my library and those books might just be what I need. Anyway, I really found the theme and plot of the stories too dark for chilren---yet the books are in the children's book section in the bookstore. I love the way he wrote the convo's, gives you a clear picture of the person. You immediately see the difference between speakers. Love his style.

26th January 2006, 10:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
HieroGlyph 70% water... Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 376	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy I also read this trilogy after some friends recommended them... S P O I L E R S I quite enjoyed them. But... I never did fathom the point of dæmons though. I expected a decent explanation. I also lost the whole reason for the Amber Glass itself as a use within Will and Lyra's story... (sorry, I know: not aimed at older adults!) I still enjoyed them!!! Guess I am a sore bear. I read these with the possible hope of getting my friends to read a recommendation of mine, but.... sob No luck! What is that about? Grown men prefering Pullman over Erikson or Bakker!?! I do wonder why the original poster is so keen to see Dark Materials on the big screen though. Books are better, yeah? Besides, we all want Gemmel on the big screen!!! I havent forgotten Astrid Lindgren quite yet, btw (sry, not in the most agreeable mood, am I...)

27th January 2006, 12:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy Well, the dæmons issue is I believe related to the concept that there is a separate entity inside humans called a "Soul" , except in Lyra's world the soul is not inside, it's outside, and it is really 'separate' as in a living breathing being/creature/entity, connected but not physically part of, the human. Good thing there aren't any Dementors in her world --- can you imagine if there were and they'd feed on souls? That would be a totally gruesome story!

27th January 2006, 08:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
euphemist lessthanthree Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy I read them and loved them. Have since cooerced a number of friends to do the same. I tried reading some of his other books but couldn't get into them.

27th January 2006, 09:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Marky Lazer Plastic Paddy Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,806	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy I only read the screenplay, and I enjoyed a fair bit.

27th January 2006, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
GOLLUM Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,134	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy You can addd me to the list of Pullman fans, I qiute enjoyed the books and found them something of page turner.

27th January 2006, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,452 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy My girlfriend read them and generally enjoyed them - but expressed disappointment with the ending.

27th January 2006, 06:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy Don't say it! I haven't finished with it yet! lol! I love the way he flawed the characters --- that was really very clever. I hate Mary Sues and almost impossible character perfection -- even in fantasy there can never be anyone without flaws.

27th January 2006, 06:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy I'm glad that this is moved to YA section, but feel like it should have it's own section. Because if JK merits her own section, Philip Pullman should have one for himself too.

27th January 2006, 06:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
I, Brian Admin and Tea-boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,452 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy He may well do so - if there's another discussion about Pullman.

27th January 2006, 07:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
orionsixwings Demosthenes Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 280	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy Oh alright. Back to topic --- heheheh! The concept of having one's soul outside, animate and tangible, instead of what is normally believed as a spirit entity that only takes shape after death is a strange concept for me. But quite clever.

1st February 2006, 11:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
Foxtale Send in the foxes! Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 70	Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials Trilogy <_< The ending is so sad though. Anyways, I like the idea of demons like how they've done it.

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