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Sire Of Dragons · 19th February 2008, 05:29 PM

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In the books, there were no elves. Also, I think there were about one thousand men defending the Hornburg

So there were no elves showing up to help them in the books? So that conversation between Galadriel and Elrond didn't happen either?

Geez I wanted to read them to find out what became of some other characters.

I've watched the extended version of the movies now and I just assumed more from the books were there. Guess that's the wrong theory now.

Looks like I might meet a few surprises if I ever get around to reading them.

Hec, I remember when I found out that my favorite scene in the Wyatt Earp movie is the one scene in the whole film that never actually happened. I was so disappointed.

pyan · 19th February 2008, 05:38 PM

Timeline doesn't work, either...Elrond would have had to known at least ten days before the Hornburg that help would be needed, and would have had to dispatch that help when the Fellowship was still floating down the Anduin....

Fake Vencar · 19th February 2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pyan

Timeline doesn't work, either...Elrond would have had to known at least ten days before the Hornburg that help would be needed, and would have had to dispatch that help when the Fellowship was still floating down the Anduin....

And exactly the same time Gandalf came to Lothlorien. Could Gandalf, in the film, be the catalyst for the elves appearing?

pyan · 19th February 2008, 07:26 PM

Possibly....

But that's one of the problems with the films, for me. Every thing in the books relies on "normal" methods of communication, (except for the extremely specialised and flawed palantiri). Gandalf wants to leave a vital message for Frodo? He has to leave it with an overworked and forgetful inn-keeper. Gondor urgently needs help from Rohan? They sent a small group of riders with the Red Arrow.
However, this isn't enough for Jackson...he has Gandalf sending messages by moths, of all things. And if your surmise is correct, FV, not only is he sending a message to Elrond via some form of communication with Lorien, he's also foreseeing the need for the reinforcing elves well before that need actually arises....

Fake Vencar · 19th February 2008, 07:44 PM

Ah, that is against all Tolkien taught us. Well worked Pyan

Sire Of Dragons · 19th February 2008, 08:10 PM

Yanno all this is putting quite a cringe on the best damn movie ever made.

sarakoth · 20th February 2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sire Of Dragons

Yanno all this is putting quite a cringe on the best damn movie ever made.

Don't worry about it. All I do is treat the movies as separate retellings of the same stories.

Marky Lazer · 20th February 2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Majimaune

Not of our era. I thought PJ did a mediocer job of what could have been done.

Really? I can't really see how he could have made it any better.

sarakoth · 20th February 2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marky Lazer

Really? I can't really see how he could have made it any better.

Use better actors. I don't recall the Lord of Rings film trilogy winning any acting Oscars. Could be wrong though.

Marky Lazer · 20th February 2008, 08:26 PM

I believe Ian McKellen won Best Supporting Actor for Fellowship, but I seriously doubt whether the Academy Awards are the standard...

pyan · 21st February 2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Marky Lazer

but I seriously doubt whether the Academy Awards are the standard...

Quite agree, Marky...does anyone seriously go to see a film just because a group of people with a vested interest in the business voted it "Best whatever"?

devilsgrin · 21st February 2008, 01:38 AM

further, anyone who puts stock into the Oscars at all is just begging to see sub-standard bore-fests, or political-hollywood promoted drivel. Crash anyone? Denzel in training day - wtf? Gwyneth in Shakespear in Love? Geez the oscars need to be voted on the merits, not the pay-offs from the Studios.

pyan · 21st February 2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by devilsgrin

Geez the oscars need to be voted on the merits, not the pay-offs from the Studios.

Don't you mean alleged payoffs, DG?

But broadly, I agree - it does seem to have thrown up some bizarre and almost perverse decisions.....

sarakoth · 21st February 2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pyan

Don't you mean alleged payoffs, DG?

But broadly, I agree - it does seem to have thrown up some bizarre and almost perverse decisions.....

Opinions are opinions . . . . and can be easily swayed by money

Sire Of Dragons · 21st February 2008, 11:27 PM

I am probably the only person I know who cannot be persuaded by money or threat, atleast I am currently the only person I know.. I get accused of having far too high of a moral standing all the time.

Proudly Standing Guilty As Charged

19th February 2008, 05:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
pyan Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 4,227	Re: 300 vs 10,000 Timeline doesn't work, either...Elrond would have had to known at least ten days before the Hornburg that help would be needed, and would have had to dispatch that help when the Fellowship was still floating down the Anduin....

19th February 2008, 07:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
pyan Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 4,227	Re: 300 vs 10,000 Possibly.... But that's one of the problems with the films, for me. Every thing in the books relies on "normal" methods of communication, (except for the extremely specialised and flawed palantiri). Gandalf wants to leave a vital message for Frodo? He has to leave it with an overworked and forgetful inn-keeper. Gondor urgently needs help from Rohan? They sent a small group of riders with the Red Arrow. However, this isn't enough for Jackson...he has Gandalf sending messages by moths, of all things. And if your surmise is correct, FV, not only is he sending a message to Elrond via some form of communication with Lorien, he's also foreseeing the need for the reinforcing elves well before that need actually arises....

19th February 2008, 07:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
Fake Vencar Old White-Beard Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 544	Re: 300 vs 10,000 Ah, that is against all Tolkien taught us. Well worked Pyan

19th February 2008, 08:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sire Of Dragons Gods Dragon Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New York Posts: 168	Re: 300 vs 10,000 Yanno all this is putting quite a cringe on the best damn movie ever made.

20th February 2008, 08:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
Marky Lazer Plastic Paddy Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,668	Re: 300 vs 10,000 I believe Ian McKellen won Best Supporting Actor for Fellowship, but I seriously doubt whether the Academy Awards are the standard...

21st February 2008, 01:38 AM	#27 (permalink)
devilsgrin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 350	Re: 300 vs 10,000 further, anyone who puts stock into the Oscars at all is just begging to see sub-standard bore-fests, or political-hollywood promoted drivel. Crash anyone? Denzel in training day - wtf? Gwyneth in Shakespear in Love? Geez the oscars need to be voted on the merits, not the pay-offs from the Studios.

21st February 2008, 11:27 PM	#30 (permalink)
Sire Of Dragons Gods Dragon Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New York Posts: 168	Re: 300 vs 10,000 I am probably the only person I know who cannot be persuaded by money or threat, atleast I am currently the only person I know.. I get accused of having far too high of a moral standing all the time. Proudly Standing Guilty As Charged

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