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[the_faery_queen]

cersi had a brother who got everything tho. catelyn had a sister. so there is a difference in that ( i can't remember if cat had a brother as well) cersi had to see her twin, part of herself, get everything. catelyn was never in that position. i think, if my brother had gotten everyting from my parents, all teh attention, support, encouragement, and being told he was worth something, and i was nothing, because i was female, i would have probably gone the same sort of way. not violent, i hope, but definetly warped!

danys, i can't relate to her either. i am glad its not just me!

[AryaUnderfoot]

Catelyn had(has) a brother, Edmure, who indeed got everything, despite being arrogant, self-absorbed, impetuous, and not very smart.

[hedgeknight]

Originally Posted by the_faery_queen

cersi has broken free of the mould and no one likes her! (except me!) just thought i would add that.

Er, haven't you added that about 10 times in this thread? Just thought I would fuel your fire with that comment.

What mold did Cersei break free of? The rich, spoiled, impetuous, I'm the "Queen of the World" and no one loves me mold?
Give me a freaking break - I'm looking forward to her confessing her sins under the Sparrow's lash.

And Brienne? I love her and it pisses me off that Martin has disfigured her and made her even more of a laughing stock. I hope "the word" she says, spares her life and she ends up slaying unCat and all the other undead freaks with Oathkeeper, right before she finds Sansa and slaps some sense into her for thinking life is a faery tale.
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[YOSSARIAN]

I thought I was the only one person that dug Meera.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by hedgeknight

And Brienne? I love her and it pisses me off that Martin has disfigured her and made her even more of a laughing stock. I hope "the word" she says, spares her life and she ends up slaying unCat and all the other undead freaks with Oathkeeper, right before she finds Sansa and slaps some sense into her for thinking life is a faery tale.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Somebody in another thread called Brienne a whiner, for chrissakes. First of all, Brienne doesn't complain to anyone about anything. She shoulders her own load without a single word of complaint, and strives to do the right thing. The only complaints she has, she keeps to herself. Secondly, out of anyone in the story, Brienne has as much right- no, more of a right- to complain than pretty much all of the characters. Life has been handing her lemons since day one, and that girl has swallowed her pride and made lemonade, dammit.

[hedgeknight]

I like Meera - she's kinda hot for a frog gigger.
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[hedgeknight]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Couldn't have said it better myself. Somebody in another thread called Brienne a whiner, for chrissakes. First of all, Brienne doesn't complain to anyone about anything. She shoulders her own load without a single word of complaint, and strives to do the right thing. The only complaints she has, she keeps to herself. Secondly, out of anyone in the story, Brienne has as much right- no, more of a right- to complain than pretty much all of the characters. Life has been handing her lemons since day one, and that girl has swallowed her pride and made lemonade, dammit.

AMEN, "sister" Underfoot!
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[JohnSnow]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Somebody in another thread called Brienne a whiner, for chrissakes. First of all, Brienne doesn't complain to anyone about anything. She shoulders her own load without a single word of complaint, and strives to do the right thing. The only complaints she has, she keeps to herself. Secondly, out of anyone in the story, Brienne has as much right- no, more of a right- to complain than pretty much all of the characters. Life has been handing her lemons since day one, and that girl has swallowed her pride and made lemonade, dammit.

Anyone who calls Brienne a whiner should be fonged within an inch of their life. The poor girl has done nothing but forge ahead through unmatched adversity and bad luck. I have to say that Brienne is only goint to get uglier and more abused throughout the story (sorry Hedgeknight) thus making her a true champion/savior figure towards the end of the series. How hard will it be to not root for her. The only evident fault of hers is falling for men who have serious issues - Renly and Jaime - but endow her with serious responsibilities - Rainbow guard and finding Sansa. Funny how the Rainbow guard turned out to be a waste of time, I wonder if the search for Sansa will turn out the same?

[rudycrab]

Personally, I find Dany boring. I am tried of reading about how great her family used to be and "waking the dragon". Their mad king got what was coming to him (Kingslaying rocks) and the "last dragon" got tooled by Robert. I hope the Ironmen blow their horn and steal her dragon babies. But that won't happen.

Brienne and Ahsa both are cool becuase they can stand up to men but Brienne desplays intelligence beyond scheming by questioning her own actions and having desires beyond ruling. Plus she isn't a hoochie mama.

Cersei would have been better is she wasn't so bad at ruling. What ruler would arm religous fanatics and think it was a great move? But I still lover her POV because tis fun to watch her screw up.

I really hope Ayra isn't blind forever because a powerful blind kung fu master Ayra would be kinda cheesy but still make me happier than her lossing all her ability to fight

Sansa needs to hurry up and outsmart Littlefinger or she will be pathetic and boring.

Finally, Cat is the greatest.

[JohnSnow]

Originally Posted by rudycrab

Sansa needs to hurry up and outsmart Littlefinger or she will be pathetic and boring.

Finally, Cat is the greatest.

Two things:

Sansa will end up be Petyr's little love toy - book it. Guy is a freak and Sansa is a pansy.

Second - you just had to go there did'nt you. The new thread will be up shortly!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the_faery_queen]

in find dany boring. i want her eaten. i dislike her a LOT! shes the only one i do actually hate.

and cersi broke free of the medieval/patriarchal mould. the, you must marry and have kids and that's all your for, thing. cos tho she did marry AND have kids, they weren't her husbands kids. she also got rid of him. so i think she is definetly not the ideal woman as the martin world would want her to be. i dont' want her to suffer. poor cersi! i think she suffered enough. but yes yes, i am alone in that. cat having a brother, hmm, well that probably would still be annoying for her, to see him get stuff, but she had a sister, so she at least had some female to turn to. cersi didn't really have that. i always felt she was kinda lonely, the lowly female with no one to turn to. besides which, it must be more frustating to have a twin do better, than a brother. twins are closer to you, part of you, its just a chance that she wasn't male as well.

brianna is maybe one of the few noble, nonselfish people in that world. so i dunno how long she will last. i think her disfiguredness will make her work out even better with jamie, cos he's disfigured too! (should that happen. cos i haven't read feast of crows so am only going by what i heard!) and if they had done that fall for each other thing, it would show a good side to jamie if he lokos beyond it. which i think he probably would. and she deserves him too. (tho cersi also deserves to be happy. yes yes, bad woman, yes yes, but she's a product of what she was made, i don't blame her for what she's done) but brianna does desever happiness for all the crap she's had to put up with. and jamie deserves a woman who wont' treat him like poop, and i think brianna will definetly do that for him. she's a protector, i think she would fight for anyone she cares about, unlike cersi who would drop them when they got in her way.

go brianna underrated character she is. at least so far.

[Adasunshine]

Cersei's suffered? Suffered enough my foot! She's a vindictive, manipulative, narcissistic, power-hungry, paranoid, incestuous, bad-tempered, promiscuous in a bad way, kind of loving but ultimately lousy mother, evil, self-absorbed, know-it-all, better than thou evil wench. Just plain nasty.

I hope she gets ripped to shreds by the sparrows after having revealed all her sins and seedy-deals to the rest of King's Landing - on the steps of the Sept (where Ned was beheaded) and being punished by her royal subjects!

She also should receive a bit of Oathkeeper's mercy, Sir Ilyn Payne or Jaime would be perfect executioners but maybe that's even a little harsh for me!

I just can't find any sympathy for the woman. She is not a product of her upbringing, she has always been a vindictive, know-it-all cow, this has been made clear. She's clearly a woman in what is very much a man's world and a not so smart woman at that, too self-absorbed to take in what is really going on around her to be a good leader.

Sorry to rant, just can't see how anyone finds sympathy for this woman.

xx

[the_faery_queen]

because she DID suffer. her father married her off to a man who cheated on her. her father praised her twin brother over her and made her fully aware that she is nothing but a brood mare. even when her husband died he wanted to marry her off again, as though she wasn't a grown woman allowed to make choices. her husband, the one she was froced to wed, also cheated on her.

and on top of that she had to watch her twin, part of her self, being treated completely differently, simply for being male. and i can totally sympathise with how crap that must have made her feel. how worthless. and totally understand why she was desperate to have power and some control over her onw life.

and sorry to rant to! but tho she did bad stuff, she was treated badly herself. she't no saint, but she is a result of her father.

[Adasunshine]

It's tempting to open up a bloomin Cersei thread - she seems to be sneaking into all the others out there.

Interesting character but ultimately hateful.

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[the_faery_queen]

sorry. i do ge a bit cersi mad. shes interesting, yes, and hateful, i can see why people feel that. but i dont'. i think other people have done far worse and get away with it because they are charasmatic. and i can't balem her for not being charasmatic!