Jon Snow -- Beware of Spoilers

[Raven]

John: all the way through? Maybe four or five times. I've been around the main asoiaf boards for about four years though, that tends to sharpen you.

Robert seems committed to the 'kidnap and rape' story but I do wonder if he secretly wonders in his heart...

[rudycrab]

R+L= J is mostly likely right but I guess I always liked the idea that Ned had this one mistake in his past that dishonored him . I felt like it made him more human and less like a little angel on everyone's shoulder. Plus, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't tell Cat. I can see him dishonoring himself for his sister, like he does later for Sansa, but I think he would trust his wife not to tell anyone and realize that she wouldn't be so crappy to Jon if she knew the truth.

[JohnSnow]

Originally Posted by rudycrab

R+L= J is mostly likely right but I guess I always liked the idea that Ned had this one mistake in his past that dishonored him . I felt like it made him more human and less like a little angel on everyone's shoulder. Plus, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't tell Cat. I can see him dishonoring himself for his sister, like he does later for Sansa, but I think he would trust his wife not to tell anyone and realize that she wouldn't be so crappy to Jon if she knew the truth.

This was always the reason why I had a sneaky suspicion Jon was Brandon's son. Doesn't have nearly as much season to it as R+l=J, but would give a reason to not tell Cat.

I still believe the r+l=j theory tho.

snow

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by rudycrab

R+L= J is mostly likely right but I guess I always liked the idea that Ned had this one mistake in his past that dishonored him . I felt like it made him more human and less like a little angel on everyone's shoulder. Plus, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't tell Cat. I can see him dishonoring himself for his sister, like he does later for Sansa, but I think he would trust his wife not to tell anyone and realize that she wouldn't be so crappy to Jon if she knew the truth.

Ned didn't really know Cat, though, when they were married. He didn't know where her loyalties lay. After all, the words of her house very specifically include a loyalty to the Tully family. And he probably figured it was safer for Jon if Cat had no idea- people might suspect if she warmed up to Jon and took him in like her own son.

[rudycrab]

I am not saying he would have told her right away but they did live together for years after he came back. I think it is safe to say they grow to trust and love each other. I just don't think that Ned would keep it from her for that long and make Jon suffer for it and I don't think Cat would just instantly love Jon when she found out but mabye she would be quite so cold towards him. Also, I am not sure but I don't think the Tully words say loyalty to the Tully Family specifically, but something like "Family, Loyalty, Honor" so "loyalty" could mean loyalty to a Stark husband as well.

[AryaUnderfoot]

I agree with you on the Tully words. However, I really think it was best for Catelyn not to be told, no matter when or how. Even if Ned waited to tell her, it seems to me that as a jealous wife she would want Ned's name cleared, if only for the sake of her own pride. Somehow, the word would leak out.

[rudycrab]

Thats a good point. I hadn't really thought of that. I assumed her relief would overcome her pride and she would not put Jon's life in danger, but I tend not to think of Cat as negatively as some others... cough JohnSnow

[the smiling weirwood]

Personally I didn't Cat to warm up to Jon because her being a b***h to Jon was formative to his character and partly drove him to join the night's watch and become what he is.

[Raven]

I believe Ned was intending to tell Cat at some point, perhaps once Jon had become an adult and Ned had decided what to do with him... but the right time never came. At first he couldn't trust her, then he couldn't risk changing her attitude to Jon, then one excuse after another, until it was too late...

[Niolani]

[quote=Boaz] Will Jon guide Meera in the ways of love?

That bit just cracked me up
I'm not sure who jon's parents are but it's interesting that Bran and Rickon had that dream of Ned just after his execution and Bran said Ned was sad about something to do with Jon. I'm guessing Ned regretted never telling Jon who his mother was.

[napthali]

Guilty of not reading all the posts..but a romance between Rhaegar and Ned's sister would explain Cersei's comment about Rhaegar falling for the wolf-girl (that remarks been haunting me) as well as wJon's resemblance to Ned

hot damn the other shoe just fell :excitedlittledance:

does this mean Jon will be flying one of the dragons :hmmn:

[TK-421]

There was also a remark by the wandering septon of the fight on the Trident between Robert and Rheagar being over a woman...I think the septon was at the battle wasn't he?

[Delvor]

Just wondering, but Robb did legitamize Jon Snow and name him his heir before the red wedding right? Or was it something else that he got all of his lords to sign witness too?

Hello btw.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Robb did legitimize Jon and name him as his heir, but Robb is dead now, and his decree is moot in the eyes of all of the other would-be kings.

[Delvor]

But would it be in the eyes of Robbs loyal bannermen such as greatjon etc.
ANyone know what became of him? I may have missed something.