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Old 29th November 2005, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Hound? (spoilers)

Do we think he's really dead? Or is he maybe hanging out in secret with those silent septons? We know the Elder Brother is supposedly a talented healer. Granted, he says he heard the Hound's dying (and raving) words, but he seems to know and understand the Hound more intimately than that story would suggest.

I guess I can't deal with one of my favorite characters going out with a whimper.

(Apologies if people have already written about this -- I'm new to this site.)
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Old 29th November 2005, 11:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The Hound? (spoilers)

lol
I figured he was the large man in the lichyard who walked with the limp on Quiet Isle.
The other septon refered to himself as having "died" when he gave up his old life so it wouldnt surprise me that he told Brienne that the Hound had "died" so she should stop looking for him....
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Old 30th November 2005, 12:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: The Hound? (spoilers)

Sandor is definitely the gravedigger. The evidence is listed elsewhere, but in summary:

1 - Stranger is in the stables on the isle.

2 - the gravedigger has a limp, as Trey says. Sandor had a leg wound.

3 - we are shown that the veils worn by the Quiet Isle brothers can conceal terrible facial injuries.

4 - Dog likes the gravedigger. Dog, Hound... this is really getting unsubtle.

5 - as Trey says (again), the Elder Brother's dialogue is pretty suggestive. He speaks of how his old self is dead: he says the Hound is dead: he says that Sandor is 'at peace'.

I don't even regard this as a theory any more - it's pretty much fact. Either that or GRRM is playing really stupid games with us.
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Old 30th November 2005, 04:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: The Hound? (spoilers)

I need to re-read this chapter. Doesn't the large, limping brother chuck a shovel of dirt at Ser Hyle? Good to know Sandor still hates knights.
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Old 30th November 2005, 07:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: The Hound? (spoilers)

I think he must still be alive.

The question I have is who do you want him to reunite with most?

For me it's close between Arya and Sansa, but the romantic in me is leaning toward Sansa.
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Old 30th November 2005, 07:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 30th November 2005, 08:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Hodor.
Poor Hodor should never be exposed to brutes like the Hound, however much I enjoy reading about him.

I think the Hound is very much alive, but I think that his time with the monastery will change him, and he won't be frothing at the mouth anymore at the thought of killing his brother.
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Old 30th November 2005, 08:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: The Hound? (spoilers)

I was always hoping the Hound would take the black.

Barring that, I want him to reunite with Sansa.
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Old 30th November 2005, 08:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The hound would make an interesting commander of the new Holy Army would he not?
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Old 30th November 2005, 11:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The hound would make an interesting commander of the new Holy Army would he not?
Speaking of the Holy Army, wouldn't it make sense for them to send men to the Wall? After all, Rh'llor and his worshipers are their enemies, and they wouldn't want Stannis and Melisandre to have complete control up there. Does anyone else think that maybe Cersei has inadvertently offered Jon a chance to fill the ranks of the men on the Wall?
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Old 1st December 2005, 01:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure that the Hound is alive at Quite island. The clues of stranger, limping drave digger and the Elders words leds me to believe that the Hound is alive. The Elders dialog with Brienne is filled with edivence, like, once the hound found out that the Mountain is "dead" he loses his purpose of living. Will the hound as another holier purpose now.


Here is my question:
Arya sold Stranger and her horse at the end of ASOS. How did stranger get from the Saltpans to the quite island?
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Old 1st December 2005, 01:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Arya: the problem is no one in the south really credits the stories of what is going on at the Wall. The Northmen have been raised with the knowledge of how important the Wall is, but those below the Neck seem to treat it more as a convenient place to ship off criminals and inconvenient second or third sons. I think it's going to be some time before they wake up to the greater threat of the Others.

I really thought Sandor was dead. Wrong again. Getting used to it. Perhaps he has only feigned the 'change' to recieve the medical attention he needed to live. When he's regained his strength he might cut down all of the brothers and ride off to rejoin the game...
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Here is my question:
Arya sold Stranger and her horse at the end of ASOS. How did stranger get from the Saltpans to the quite island?
I'm pretty sure she left Stranger, and just sold her horse. Remember, Stranger could be led by no one but Sandor....
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Arya: the problem is no one in the south really credits the stories of what is going on at the Wall.
Yes, but it is becoming more and more well-known that Stannis and Melisandre are there. As Stannis is in opposition to Tommen's claim to the throne, and he is allowing Melisandre to busily convert people to worshiping Rh'llor, it seems to me that it would be in the Holy Army's best interest to oppose that strength, as representatives of their faith. It would be more of a political move than an effort to save the kingdom from the Others. We are all aware now of just how fervently the High Septon will punish any type of sin or heresy. If he really wanted to make a statement, I think he should try and nip this Rh'llor business in the bud by going after it's largest source.
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