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Old 29th November 2005, 02:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Gotcha. I don't think they do. We're always reminded that they have blood of the First Men. So if they had Targaryen blood, I think George would let us in on it ... or at least there'd be some pretty big hints.

But it seems Jon Snow is the best of both worlds, no? Blood of First Men AND Targaryen (maybe). Do the Reeds know the secret of Jon's parentage?
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Old 29th November 2005, 04:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Do the Reeds know the secret of Jon's parentage?
Well, Howland is the only survivor left from the Tower of Joy, so if anyone alive know it - he does
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Old 30th November 2005, 05:50 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Im wondering if Catelyn (aka Stoneheart) knows Jons father. He seems to hate Jon too much. Jon would be pretty hard to take for Catelyn if Jon was Rhaegars son, cause Rhaegar killed Brandon... Do Tullys have any other reasons to hate Targaryens?

Personally i would think that the third head of the Dragon hasnt been revealed yet. Maybe some bastard of Rhaegar or some other Targaryen.
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Old 30th November 2005, 06:53 PM   #34 (permalink)
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We got to read about ten Cat POVs in AGOT. If she knew who Jon's real parents were, we'd also know.
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Old 30th November 2005, 06:55 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Nah, i wouldnt bet on that. We've had lots of Ned chapters but they didn't even reveal if Jon really is his son.
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Old 30th November 2005, 11:58 PM   #36 (permalink)
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True, but in her chapters Catelyn seems fairly convinced that Jon is Ned's son. That's why she hates him so much. If she knew he wasn't Ned's, I feel she would be better disposed towards him.
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Old 9th February 2006, 02:16 AM   #37 (permalink)
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In - I believe it was the second book. When Arya is riding with Lord Beric's people. She meets a young boy with silver hair and purple eyes who was Jon Snow's milk brother. He's so the third head of the dragon. He's Jon's twin by Rhaegar and Lyanna. And Ashara Dayne throwing herself off the cliff. Oh, she was the Sword of the Morning's sister and loved him so much. . . . so after good old Ned does him in and rescues Lyanna's children. . . . well, what if the Sword of the Morning confided in her? One of those babies had blonde hair, so they couldn't both be Ned's boys. . . . and Wylla was Ashara's serving woman. Jon Snow's "mother." What if she discovered or knew of the little deception and threatened to reveal the secret? Ned remarks on the things we do for love. Well, he might have pushed the poor Ashara to her death to keep his promise to Lyanna.
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Old 9th February 2006, 03:51 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I do belief that there is more to Jon that meets the eye. After all, Ned Stark was an honorable man, unlikely to sleep with a servant and father a bastard.
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Old 9th February 2006, 06:19 PM   #39 (permalink)
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The dragon must have three heads doesn't have to mean they are Targaryens. Aegon had sister/wives helping him and we all focus on the sister part but why can't Dany just have husbands. Two prospective husbands are on the way right now. One would give her Dorne and one the Ironmen. Its unlikely but possible she will accept them. Also, even if you think Jon Snow is part dragon, he will not break his oath. Ned Stark raised him and Jon will always think of him as father even if he learns the truth. He isn't just a night's watchman anymore but Lord Commander. He had his moment of truth when he refound Snow. He didn't leave the wall when all of those he thought of as family were killed so why do it for some relative he doesn't know. Even if the wall falls his oath still binds him.
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Old 9th February 2006, 08:24 PM   #40 (permalink)
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The dragon must have three heads doesn't have to mean they are Targaryens. [...]Also, even if you think Jon Snow is part dragon, he will not break his oath.
Agreed. I don't think that Jon Snow will break his oath, either. And I'm not keen on the idea that Tyrion OR the Dayne boy are Targaryens. It would be way too much of the same them.

Jon Snow could end up being one head of the Dragon, but I don't think that means that he'll have to break his vows or his allegiance to the Night's Watch. The Dragon having three heads could simply mean three leaders working together to defeat a single enemy- the Others.
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Old 10th February 2006, 07:17 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If the wall falls he would not have to break his oath.
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Old 10th February 2006, 07:38 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Hi Delvor!

I disagree. I think that the Wall is simply a tool of the Night's Watch. His oath would still stand if Castle Black fell, right? Or if his sword broke?

I have said before that I think the whole thing is cyclical. If the Wall falls, it will be Jon's duty to see that it is rebuilt. The Others could always come back.
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I suppose you are right, even if he would be the last left it would be his duty to rebuild.
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Old 10th February 2006, 09:41 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I also doubt that Tyrion is a Targaryen, he's just too much the quintessential Lannister. Personally, I don't think the other two heads have been revealed yet, although Quentyn Martell is a strong possibility.
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Old 12th February 2006, 08:27 PM   #45 (permalink)
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OK, this is I think my 2nd or 3rd post on here, but I have an interesting theory supporting Tyrion as the third head. We all know GRRM is fairly big on patterns and whatnot...Here goes...

Jons mother dies in childbirth, Danys mother dies in childbirth, Tyrions mother dies in childbirth, under very similar circumstances to Dany's birth. Im kind of rusty on the timelines here, but what if Aerys got with Joanna, willfully or no, and produced our friend Tyrion? Its mentioned that he has two different colored eyes, I cant remember and cant reference at the moment, but could one of them be violet?

If Im totally off kilter here, dont flame me...I mean no harm...
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