The Dragon Has Three Heads

[Sword of the Morning]

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Which brings me to Jaime's dream about the silent sister: was that Joanna in his dream? If not, who was it? Any thoughts?

I'm thinking two possiblities. It is Joanna or Tysha daugther by Tyrion. She was a cousin to Tywin so the Lannister coloring would apply, but I'm got this feeling out of left field that the silent sister could be the a daughter of Tyrion and Tysha. Jaime did say that the silent sister age could be 15 or 50 (something like that).

Here is another what if. Lets say the mad king did have his way with Jonna, Tywin finds out, but has such love for Joanna that he can't killer. So she gets expelled rom Casterly Rock jions the silent sisters. All Tywin has to say is that Joanna died during Tyrion's birth. Any thoughts?

[The Blackfish]

can somone please refresh me about Jaime's dream? I lent my copy of AFfC to a friend and can't refer back to it at the moment ...

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by The Blackfish

can somone please refresh me about Jaime's dream? I lent my copy of AFfC to a friend and can't refer back to it at the moment ...

He dreamed that he was back standing vigil over his father's body, and all of a sudden a silent sister appeared. At first, he thought it was Cersei- she had green eyes and golden hair. She said "I am not your sister, Jaime... Have you forgotten me?"
Jaime thinks "Can I forget someone I never knew?" And then he realizes that he did know her, but it had been a very long time.

Personally, I think it MUST be Joanna. Why else would she cry when thinking of what Jaime and Cersei have become? Why else would she talk of Tywin, and tell Jaime that he never truly knew him?

[Florian the Fool]

I understood that to be a vision of Joanna. It's another manifestation of Jaime's guilt about the man he has been, and his determination to become someone better.

[ChasenFate]

::Tapping Watch::...Jesus Christ! Why must the time creep by?

Originally Posted by Florian the Fool

It's another manifestation of Jaime's guilt about the man he has been, and his determination to become someone better.

I like that analogy Florian.

[Meera]

Returning to the three heads of the dragon theory, I think that Bran is a good candidate as the crow promised him he would fly. Also he could be a knight on a dragon because it wouldn't matter that he was a cripple.

However all the other dragonriders have been Targaryens, so maybe only those with 'dragon' blood can be riders. This rules out Bran and probably Tyrion but means that Jon and Roberts bastards are all still in the running.

[Winters_Sorrow]

Originally Posted by Meera

However all the other dragonriders have been Targaryens, so maybe only those with 'dragon' blood can be riders. This rules out Bran and probably Tyrion but means that Jon and Roberts bastards are all still in the running.

Hmm. I did think about Edric Storm being a good candidate especially as I think he roughly gone in that direction (I seem to recall Davos telling the knights to leave Westeros with him) so he could well end up with Dany.

Quite how she'll react to a "Usurper's bastard" on her doorstep, I'm not sure - although I'm hoping Barristan will train her in ruling. After all he's been through 3 kings! (4 if you count Joffrey - which I don't)

Guess that makes Jaehaerys (sp?), Aerys & Robert as the Good, the Mad & the Bad? (que the music)

[Culhwch]

Is it written anywhere that the 'dragon has three heads' equals three dragon riders? We all took the Prince that was Promised literally, and it turned out to be the Princess that was Promised (or so it would currently seem), so maybe George has thrown a swiftie and is leading us down the wrong track... Maybe it's a metaphor, maybe it doesn't literally mean that there will be two other people to ride Dany's dragons. Maybe the dragons themselves are the three heads.

Just thinking out loud.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

Is it written anywhere that the 'dragon has three heads' equals three dragon riders?

Maester Aemon seemed quite disturbed that he was going to die before Dany took the throne and fulfilled the prophecy. To quote the book:

Once he woke up weeping. "The dragon must have three heads," he wailed, "but I am too old and frail to be one of them. I should be with her, showing her the way, but my body has betrayed me." (p. 523 in the American version)

I'm pretty sure that means that the dragon must be represented by three people.

Didn't the Starks have some Targaryen blood, way back in the day? Or am I confused?

[ChasenFate]

I can not recall if they had a drop of the dragon blood or not. Also we do not know anything about Jon's mother do we? I know people have thrown ideas out that his mother was either Targaryen.

[Boaz]

Well, ChasenFate, we could say that Jon was the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Elia, but that out of her love for Rhaegar and losing a child (and her own life) in birth, Lyanna begged Ned to save Rhaegar's only child... Aegon VII... aka Jon Snow, but I think it unlikely.

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by ChasenFate

I can not recall if they had a drop of the dragon blood or not. Also we do not know anything about Jon's mother do we? I know people have thrown ideas out that his mother was either Targaryen.

Well the prevailing theory is that Jon's father was Rhaegar, his mother Lyanna, so in that scenario he would definitely have Targaryen blood. Though I'm still in the Ned and Wylla (or unknown) camp.

Originally Posted by AryaUnderfoot

Didn't the Starks have some Targaryen blood, way back in the day? Or am I confused?

I'm certain the Starks of themselves have no Targaryen blood - they are the blood of the First Men, before the dragonlords came to Westeros, and I'm fairly certain that they never married into the Targaryens.

The Baratheons have Targaryen blood - that is why of Ned, Jon Arryn and Robert, Robert was pushed forward as the most legitimate usurper. Which means that Gendry, Mya Stone, and Edric Storm all share the blood of the dragon.

Then there's Brown Ben Plumm, and one would assume his distant cousins in Westeros, but I don't see any of them becoming one of the heads.

Of what family is the Bastard of Driftmark? I recall he resembled Rhaegar... The Velarons, was it? They have Valyrian blood, but is it Targaryen?

[Hobo]

No 3. has to be Tyrion

A) from AGOT....Tyrion reading a book on Dragons "when I was your age, I used to dream of having a dragon of my own.........Even a twisted, ugly little boy can look down on the world when he's seated on dragon's back....."

b) He visits the bowels of Kings landing to view the Dragon Skulls and started fires in bowels of Casterly rock pretending they were dragonfire burning his father and cersei

c) He's obviously GRRM's favourite character....best story, best lines!!!!

[Transplanted Steeler]

What about Bran as one of the three heads? He's supposed to learn to fly, after all.

[AryaUnderfoot]

Originally Posted by Transplanted Steeler

What about Bran as one of the three heads? He's supposed to learn to fly, after all.

That's one of the reasons why I asked if the Starks had Targaryen blood.