The Dragon Has Three Heads

[Tysha]

OK YS! You have the hints that can support both theories (yours and mine) but you reasons are not satisfying - what is behind Sarella=Alleras? And don't say to me "she just want to be a maester" or "she just loves Oldown".
I understand why you think Alleras=Sarella but I find the reasons behind my theory more satisfying, I guess we have to wait for ADWD and then there will be one big "I told you so" (from one of us ) Or as we know Martin - non of us.

[Young stormlord]

Your reasons for Aegon being in Citadell are not much either. I guess we need to wait ADWD and see.. While we waiting I have new theory : Tyrek Lannister= Aegon. His age is fine and has blond hair

[Tysha]

Well I want to share with you my grief (Dedicated to Aegon The Unworthy and Yound stormlord).
"Rhaenys looked more like a Martell, Aegon more a Targaryen" - part of interview with GRRM at 2000.
Well that was very surprising... there is non of it in the books though.. so: there are some possibilities:
1. My theory IS dead. (wich would cause a suicidal action and we don't want that..right?)
2. That interview was made at 2000 - 7 years ago, a very long time ago (That one is really weak, cos I think GRRM would know such an important thing as Aegons looks)
3. He lied, yep, that simple. It's not so hard to imagine scenario like this one:
-year 2122 - ADWD is finally published-
The fans: "But you've said in your interview that Aegon has Targaryen features!!!"
GRRM: "Well, I lied. You should read more books and less interviews"

In conclusion, my theory is probably dead and that's a second biggest disappointment in my life (the first was AFFC Audio book WITHOUT the amazing Roy Dotrice).
So I guess it IS Alleras=Sarella? Well, I must hurry, before the "The rope and soap" store is closed...

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Tysha

Well, I must hurry, before the "The rope and soap" store is closed...

I'm sorry, rope and soap? Are you going to prison or something?

[Boaz]

Why am I always designated to be the research monkey? Sheesh!

Okay, here it is on the Aegon. Just a lame thought... thread. Read Werthead's post on the first page.

And if you want another opinion for Aegon, read my first post... Aegon is a captive under Casterly Rock! People should never post after drinking...

I'm not ready to give up on the Alleras=Aegon theory yet. Not that I'm sold on it... it's just so darn interesting. Oberyn held Aegon for nigh on twenty years.

So what was the Viper's purpose in going to KL? He wanted the truth of Elia's and Rhaenys' murders. He wanted someone to confess in order to start stirring up Targaryen sympathy again. What if he wanted specific confessions for the killings of Elia and Rhaenys, but not for Aegon? His plan might have been to torture Gregor or someone into admitting guilt for Elia but denying guilt for Aegon. I dunno if Gregor knew the child was Aegon or not. But perhaps he did know and thats' why he left the child unrecognizable. After all those years, if suddenly no one knew what happened to Aegon, then the door is open for Oberyn to reintroduce him.

Perhaps Tywin's men lied to him.

Then again, maybe Oberyn was not the plotter that he's recently been accused of... maybe he was that hot headed.

[AandKsavetheDAY]

I'm sorry. I just read about 12 of these pages in a row and was shaking my head so hard at the end that it almost came off. IMO, Alleras=Aegon is a huge stretch, and so unlikely it's odd that it has been discussed for so long. (please don't take offense, I'm just not convinced)
Alleras has to be Sarella. I'm very sorry that I don't have direct quotes to back myself up on this, but Young stormlord has done a good enough job defending my position that I don't really need to.
My thinking, however unimportant, is this:
The mirrored name? It cannot be dismissed as too easy- I didn't see it until it was pointed out here, and it seems a bit too much of a coincidence to mean nothing.
A girl can disguise herself as a guy. It has happened before (there was a few in the civil war, i know that) and described as he was, Alleras is a fine candidate for such a secret. Plus, come on, people- hasn't anyone here watched profound classics like She's the Man or Mulan???
Another thing- we still have no substantial proof that Aegon is alive. If Aegon=Sarella, Arienne wouldn't have thought of him? as her sister- and I would think it would be much harder for a guy to be disguised as a girl than the other way around
IMO, there would be more clues to all of this at this point in the story. The sphinx things are clues to Alleras=Sarella, I didn't get any Aegon vibes from any of that.
So thats my two cents, or possibly five dollars worth. Take it or ignore it.

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by AandKsavetheDAY

I'm sorry. I just read about 12 of these pages in a row and was shaking my head so hard at the end that it almost came off. IMO, Alleras=Aegon is a huge stretch, and so unlikely it's odd that it has been discussed for so long. (please don't take offense, I'm just not convinced)
Alleras has to be Sarella. I'm very sorry that I don't have direct quotes to back myself up on this, but Young stormlord has done a good enough job defending my position that I don't really need to.
My thinking, however unimportant, is this:
The mirrored name? It cannot be dismissed as too easy- I didn't see it until it was pointed out here, and it seems a bit too much of a coincidence to mean nothing.
A girl can disguise herself as a guy. It has happened before (there was a few in the civil war, i know that) and described as he was, Alleras is a fine candidate for such a secret. Plus, come on, people- hasn't anyone here watched profound classics like She's the Man or Mulan???
Another thing- we still have no substantial proof that Aegon is alive. If Aegon=Sarella, Arienne wouldn't have thought of him? as her sister- and I would think it would be much harder for a guy to be disguised as a girl than the other way around
IMO, there would be more clues to all of this at this point in the story. The sphinx things are clues to Alleras=Sarella, I didn't get any Aegon vibes from any of that.
So thats my two cents, or possibly five dollars worth. Take it or ignore it.

Oh how could I ignore that?! I know my theory IS probably dead now BUT, "and so unlikely it's odd that it has been discussed for so long."?! Obviously you haven't read the 11-15 pages carefully enough (And gosh I don't balme you) On page 12 there is a short summary of the theory - with logic explananions of all the things you have questioned here - mirrored name (he was Sarellas friend), Arianne didn't knew (it was a SECRET), and he was NOT disguised as a girl, he grew up as a boy, someone's son (just like Sylva and Drey with Arianne.)
I guess Alleras=Sarella theory is the true one, but MY theory IS logical and the only argument (an important one) against it, is the GRRM interview where he says that Aegon has a Targaryen features.
Neither Aegon The Unworthy nor Young storm lord has given any reasonable arguments to contradict my theory, only 'lotsa arguments why is Allers=Sarella.
Take it or ignore it

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Absence of proof to the contrary does not make something true by default....

Im going to argue with you one more time Tysha on one point you've now blown off 14 times....

There is only one reason that Aegon does not equal Sarella...only one. Everything else in your line of argument fits.

Why o why if you are the quite-common combination of an olive skinned Dornishmen and someone with fair skin would you use a cover story of being a less common product of a dark skinned Islander and an olive skinned dornishmen. Yes it is possible to have those two combinations result in fairly close skin colors but it is not likely. Your cover story would only invite questions, and questions are something you want to avoid. You answer me that with something logical and not just a wave of your hand like the previous 14 times (I didnt count) and Ill concede the issue. Seriously...I will.

Im only rehashing this because you called me out in your previous post...

PS I just read this whole page instead of the parts I thought were new, and it turns out George did my work for me....thanks George, and thanks for owning up Tysha

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Absence of proof to the contrary does not make something true by default....

That's true, but it's doesn't contradict it either.

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Why o why if you are the quite-common combination of an olive skinned Dornishmen and someone with fair skin would you use a cover story of being a less common product of a dark skinned Islander and an olive skinned dornishmen. Yes it is possible to have those two combinations result in fairly close skin colors but it is not likely. Your cover story would only invite questions, and questions are something you want to avoid. You answer me that with something logical and not just a wave of your hand like the previous 14 times (I didnt count) and Ill concede the issue. Seriously...I will.

Im only rehashing this because you called me out in your previous post...

PS I just read this whole page instead of the parts I thought were new, and it turns out George did my work for me....thanks George, and thanks for owning up Tysha

1. It is a good point, and I didn't really gave it much thought, and it's definitely supports the Alleras=Sarella theory. (that I know is probably true, ok?)
2. Yet, it does not totally contradict the Aegon/Alleras theory. (That I know is probably untrue, ok?) If Aegon had a Dornish looks (absolute dornish, like Jon who has an absolute Stark looks) - it could fit to Alleras description. (I know, the black CURLS is a bit odd, but still) So, why to tell his mother is a Summer Islander? Why not? He took his friend's name so why not her history? Or maybe because Summer Islander is quite the opposite of the Targaryen (the looks).
3. I know that if Aegon had a pure Dornish looks, it would be simpler for him to say he is just Dornish, from both sides. I know my explanation quite unsatisfying, BUT, I still think it was a good theory (R.I.P.), logic and interesting, and if I'm the only one to think so, so be it.

[AandKsavetheDAY]

I have to apologize for my last post. It seems, after re-readin it, I was quite... grumpy. It was a good theory, and at least something to talk about. That scene with Rhaegar seemed to really point to Aegon as one of the three heads, which, if that's the case, I would've thought that he'd introduce Aegon a little sooner. Because the thing is, we know that if he IS alive (which I think would be very interesting), he is not going to have a POV, because Quentyn nabbed the last one. Who could be the POV that would inform us on Aegon? Maybe Dany? Maybe... Tyrion? I'm totally off on a tangent, but I do like that last one.

[TK-421]

OK, I'll try this one, even though I think Aegon is dead:

AEGON IS QUENTYN!

I think in age they are close.
Quentyn was sent to foster at a young age and has been out of sight.
Doran could of easily claimed his as his son. I mean Dorne is somewhat isolated from the rest of the kingdom and the usurpers stopped at King's Landing.
Quentyn is on his way to Dany, his cousin. Targs have a thing for inbreeding.

I await the deluge...

[Boaz]

Tysha, You say Jaqen is there to protect Alleras and you admit that Aegon's physical features are Targaryenish. Do you think a Faceless Man could change the appearance of another person? Could Jaqen make Aegon look darker?

TK, I'll start with a trickle. But let me also say, that I like looking under every rock...

First, just a small error. Dany would be Aegon's aunt.

I think Quentyn may be up to four years older than Aegon. This is just my feeling from reading, I don't know Quentyn's actual age.

I don't have any contrary evidence and you don't have any pro, so the whole thing seems possible. BUT, we do know that Doran was going to have Arianne marry Viserys. Now he has plans on Dany. Exactly, how many Targaryens was Doran planning on crowning?

If Doran had Viserys, Dany, and Aegon he'd have to kill either Viserys or Aegon eventually. The beauty of Alleras=Aegon is that Oberyn had Aegon and this was unknown to Doran... each of the Martell brothers had a Targaryen heir in the bag with which to avenge their sister, but neither let the other one in on his plan.

Doran planning for Aegon and Viserys runs into the same problem I have with Illyrio. In my thoughts, Illyrio knew of and was planning for the return of Viserys, Danaerys, Aegon, Jon, and Tyrion.... someone make the voices stop!!! It's just too complicated. It's too many pieces for even an adept player to manage in the Game of Thrones.

[TK-421]

Well, Viserys backfired obviously and he and Illyrio and Varys probably knew all along it would. Too much Aerys in that one.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering! I sense much fear in you.

Oh, and sorry, I do not have my Targaryen family tree handy...

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Tysha, You say Jaqen is there to protect Alleras and you admit that Aegon's physical features are Targaryenish. Do you think a Faceless Man could change the appearance of another person? Could Jaqen make Aegon look darker?.

No. I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Boaz

Doran planning for Aegon and Viserys runs into the same problem I have with Illyrio. In my thoughts, Illyrio knew of and was planning for the return of Viserys, Danaerys, Aegon, Jon, and Tyrion.... someone make the voices stop!!! It's just too complicated. It's too many pieces for even an adept player to manage in the Game of Thrones.

I agree.
There are a lot of good medicines for the voices, you know

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Well, Viserys backfired obviously and he and Illyrio and Varys probably knew all along it would. Too much Aerys in that one.

That's true.
I think that Cersei and Viserys would be a better twins than her and Jaime, they have so much in common

Originally Posted by TK-421

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering! I sense much fear in you.