The Dragon Has Three Heads

[TK-421]

But what of that crackpot theory that Loras is indeed not burnt and it was all just a cover to hide his journey across the Narrow Sea to make contact with Dany. I know, Loras is not the best of embassadors, but Mace is no statesman either...

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

1. I think he is NOT bunt.
2. I don't think he is on his way to woo her, just negotiate.
3. She may be angry with the Tyrell's, but she also need to consider they have placed alot of knives that could kill Usurpers inside the city walls.
4. Assassination is alot cheaper than all out war.
5. Besides she is the one that wants lords to flock to her banner. Who is going to flock if she starts spurning the ones that try.

that's all the numbers I know, so I will wait patently while Wert and Raven take turns telling me I didnt read carefully enough and have already been proven wrong.

[the smiling weirwood]

Referring to B&O reminds me of deodorant.


Very interesting thoughts on Loras and all worth consideration. However, I find myself wishing he is lying abed hideously disfigured by burns. It has a certain poetic justice about it. After all, nothing is certain except the demise of the beautiful so I'm sure there is something nasty waiting for Loras.

[Tysha]

The Dragon has three heads
1. Dany
2. Jon (Son of Rhaegar and Lyanna)
3. Aegon (Rhaegar's son who is not dead as it is believed) also known as Alleras the Sphinx.
The clues about Aegon: When Dany enters The House of the Undying Ones, one of the prophecy sights was:

The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?”
“Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked.
“He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. “There must be one more,” he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. “The dragon has three heads.”

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Heres the confusing part....

Originally Rhaegar thought it must be his son, which must be the PTWP....then circumstances showed him to be wrong. As his son apparently had his brains dashed out....then Aemon concluded to Sam that the texts never said "He" persay.....so it could be Dany. Of course if they never said "He" they also never said "She".

So Aegon could still be Aejon. You know maybe Lyannas promise to Ned was to protect Aejon as his own. Lyanna was the type that when something of this import as the PTWP is made known to her she would react in earnestness. We assume she's at the Tower of Joy when Ned finds her, because thats where the Kings Guard is but they could be there protecting Aejon and Lyanna killed by some of Roberts supporters while defending Rhaegar. But that still doesnt account for the obvious age difference. So Im rambling....

Alleras the Sphinx is Sarella, one of the Sand Snakes (the Vipers children) the name and reported place is too cute a coincidence to be far off.

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Originally Rhaegar thought it must be his son, which must be the PTWP....

Whatever Rhaegar thought, what Dany actually saw was a prophecy (about the three heads of the dragon - Rhaegar is "looking" at Dany, thefore she must be one of them; he holds Aegon, so he must be another, and Rhaegar says that "there must be another one"), and not just "a day in Rhaegar's life".

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

As his son apparently had his brains dashed out...

Have you actually seen Aegon's brains on the wall? All you know is that it was some unlucky baby. Sure, he can be easily identified... with his head crashed... Don't you think Rhaegar (or Elia) could be smart enough to hide their heir away when the war is so near? Even Cersei was bright enough for that (hiding Tommen when the war was near King's Landing).

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

then Aemon concluded to Sam that the texts never said "He" persay.....so it could be Dany.

Right, but Dany is only one of the dragon heads (though she is the promised one - she is the only pure dragon blood, remember?)

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

So Aegon could still be Aejon. You know maybe Lyannas promise to Ned was to protect Aejon as his own. Lyanna was the type that when something of this import as the PTWP is made known to her she would react in earnestness. We assume she's at the Tower of Joy when Ned finds her, because thats where the Kings Guard is but they could be there protecting Aejon and Lyanna killed by some of Roberts supporters while defending Rhaegar. But that still doesnt account for the obvious age difference. So Im rambling....

So we agree that Aegon is not Jon. Lyanna had a much more important last wish than defending Aegon - she had her own son to care about.

Originally Posted by Aegon the Unworthy

Alleras the Sphinx is Sarella, one of the Sand Snakes (the Vipers children) the name and reported place is too cute a coincidence to be far off.

Come on, give George R.R. Martin more credit than that! Hiding a twenty-year old woman as a guy? Sure, "Alleras" is "Sarella" spelled backwards, but this only proves that he knows her (and they were probably close, maybe grown together - recall that Sarella is the Viper's daughter, and what a better place to hide a half-dornish boy that looks like Elia than give him to Viper?) So Aegon must have chosen "Alleras" because of that, or a similar reason.

Besides, remember Aemon phrase "the Sphinx it the riddle, not the riddler"? And why do you think the dragonglass candle is burning in the Citadel since the Sphinx got there?

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Tysha this is all funny....

I wasnt arguing with you so I dont know why you would dissect my post. I was just airing my confused thoughts. You put none of your reasoning in your earlier post so I was asking for clarification. You dont post bullet statements on this website dammit.

For the record this is the first Ive heard about Sarella/Alleras being Aegon. Thats complex and I kinda enjoyed it.

Regardless Aemon doesnt know anything about Alleras/Sarella. He just couldnt. He was under the impression Aegon was the PWTP when born. It was Aemon who concluded that the prophecy never said anything about a HE, that High Valyrian was fluid when it came to gender and could be referring to Dany. If he knew Aegon was still alive he doesnt leap to Dany being the Princess. I can accept that maybe he concluded Aegon was still alive and in the Vipers care but not that he was originally in the know.

Is there any point in the fight with the Mountain that the Viper just plain forgot to mention Aegon when he mentions Aegons sister (Rhaenys I believe)?

Why cant Sarella be Aegon? Can anyone actually compare the timelines on that one? I cant find any information on how old Sarella might be verus Aegon. Is there a better place to hide a guy than in the midst of a bunch of militant half-crazed women? I think its brilliant.

Lets assume for a second my conjecture is close to being real. That Rhaegars wife handed off Aegon to Oberyn (or a representative) and handed the Mountain (or whomever) one of the Vipers bastard children....then the Viper raises the child amongst his brood. In fact goes on to father more children because he's trying to hide this one.

Aemon sitting in his tower somehow twigs to the fact there is something wrong with Sarella. I dont know how, I dont know who...maybe theres no mother for this one. Maybe the genealogy lists him/her completely different than the others appearance-wise. I dont know. He concludes something isnt right with Sarella but he's on the Wall. Its not until he's sent back to Oldtown for Jon he can possibly talk to Sarella and figure it out for himself.

I really really like this.....

Man Boaz is gonna smack me for posting a wheels within wheels within wheels idea....

[Young stormlord]

I am so sorry to tell you but there is a big cockroach in that theory. And here it is: Sarella (Alleras) is black woman (man).

[TK-421]

Oberyn would not of mentionned Aegon to the Mountain. He was brash and arrogant but not stupid. Hiding him for this many years would of been blown out of the water.

If Arellas is Aegon, why did Doran forget to mention it to Arianne when he revealed to her his secret plans? Could be for the same reasons as Oberyn but if Arianne does not know, then you can bet that Quentyn would know.

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I went and looked things up...Sarella is the daughter of a trader from the Summer Isles. Yup thats true. Captained a ship at the age of 19. But is she as black as coal like others from the summer isle are described? That much we dont know.

I dont know what specifically is up with the Alleras/Sarella thing...but something isnt right. I always dropped the Aemon line that Tysha quoted as being inconsequential but now I cant get it out of my head.

By the way this is not a theory. A theory is an idea supported by proof and impossible to prove false beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is a hypothesis....a connection of seemingly unrelated events held together by the merest skein of an idea.

TK, I meant did he specifically not mention Aegon at any point? A slip if you will....I dont remember him even bringing up his niece and nephew. Just curious.

Im not gonna posit any ideas that Doran did or did not know. I think he is far smarter than any but the big 5 of Westeros plotting....Tywin, Olenna, Varys and Littlefinger. Im confident actually the Sand Snakes did know though. They were far more driven and loyal to each other than any other group. However I do think they would only know Sarella was a man not the actual parentage. You dont think they would get a kick out of hiding that?

If not Sarella then what about Obara. She was manly and decidedly plain. Into the militant arts and all that....still Im stuck on this.

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by TK-421

Oberyn would not of mentionned Aegon to the Mountain. He was brash and arrogant but not stupid. Hiding him for this many years would of been blown out of the water.

If Arellas is Aegon, why did Doran forget to mention it to Arianne when he revealed to her his secret plans? Could be for the same reasons as Oberyn but if Arianne does not know, then you can bet that Quentyn would know.

How many times do I have to tell you that Sarella is a black woman with yellow eyes whose mother was trader?

[Tysha]

Aegon the Unworthy! Gosh, I didn't think it was arguing.. only a friendly conversation
About the age of Sarella and Aegon:
"What of Sarella? She is a woman grown, almost twenty.”
THE CAPTAIN OF GUARDS (at the end..)
Aegon must be about 16-17, 'cos when he "died" he was a babe at breast (And Dany was born short time after that):
Viserys had been a boy of eight when they fled King’s Landing to escape the advancing armies of the Usurper, but Daenerys had been only a quickening in their mother’s womb.
All that shows that Aegon is a few (1-2) years older than Dany. If Dany was forteen at the begining of her pregnancy, she must be 15-16 now..
Alleras is "a comely youth", his skin "was dark as teak" - which is not black! And he's half Dornish. Sure, his story reminds Sarella's ("his father was a Dornishman, his mother a black-skinned Summer Islander"), but why not? After all, the name he chose reminds Sirella's as well!
And I think that the talk of the dragonglass candle (that can be lit only when there are dragons) lit in the Citadel just when Alleras gets there (a year ago) is not a coincidence. Might be it was Alleras (Aegon the Dragon) who has lit it? And another thing - have you noticed that Alleras is a very talanted scholar? ... just like Rhaegar! (Three links in one year...) And I think that Marwyn's discussion of the Dragons in the presence of Alleras (a mere acolyte?) is not a coincidence as well.
But the most important argument is - consider the fourth person present at this conversation (Sam is the third). Pate? Or, should I say - Jaqen H'ghar? There must be a very important reason for a Faceless Man to be at the Citadel. Moreover, he is there for a long time (since the beginning of AFFC), and I cannot think of a better reason than protecting the Targaryen Heir.

I don't think Aemon knew anything about Aegon's life or death; he came to understanding that the prophecy was about Dany being the "Chosen One". However, this does not contradict the fact that the dragon has three heads (which is another prophecy). I guess that his phrase "the Sphinx is the riddle" talks of yet another prophecy or some other strange insight that he might have, but why can't it be about Alleras the Sphinx?

About Viper making no difference between Aegon or Rhaenys during the fight with the Mountain - I guess he would be rather stupid if he did, wouldn't he?

[TK-421]

Well, someone needed to present new ideas to this forum who salivates everytime we hear GRRM news on ADWD. Good for you Tysha. It's certainly a credible theory and one I hope to hear others express their views on.

[Tysha]

Originally Posted by Young stormlord

I am so sorry to tell you but there is a big cockroach in that theory. And here it is: Sarella (Alleras) is black woman (man).

Alleras is "a comely youth", his skin "was dark as teak" - which is not black! His eyes are black. - "He had skin the color of a light brown ale and a cap of tight black curls that came to a widow’s peak above his big black eyes. " (The last chapter of AFFC)
And where did you find Sarella's description?

[Tysha]

I'm rather proud of this theory Thanks TK-421 for your support