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| | #46 (permalink) |
| Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? The fool was, physically speaking, male. Mentally speaking, the fool's homosexuality/bisexuality always seemed ties to his role as trickster and deceiver- someone able to cast off personalities and gender roles at will. Certainly- as Fitz comments- we never really get to see the real White Prophet. How much of his attachment to Fitz was the result of his connection to the catalyst is a matter of debate. |
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| | #47 (permalink) |
| ScottSF Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: California
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? perhaps she can change her physical sex just as easily as she can cast off personalities and gender roles. Maybe she wouldn't reveal herself to Fitz as female because she wanted to know that the love was unconditional. I still think it was unfair the way she messed with Fitz's mind in that respect. |
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| | #49 (permalink) |
| Rolling Away Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Sussex
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? I am definately definately sure that Fool's gender was male.This is because: *SPOILERS* In Fool's Fate, when Fitz is in his body, he doesn't think or find anything about Fool's body that he finds, i'm guessing, different to what he expected, and Fitz has always been adamant that Fool is male. Fitz finds the idea of making love with Fool well, disgusting, and I think thats because he isn't into the whole homosexual thing with Fool. The other White Prophets had definite genders, The Black Man and The Pale Woman say it all really. The Fool is a Fool and of course he would want to confuse people, no doubt for his own amusement. I can't think of any more reasons to support my point at the moment, but I think that'll do for now. I was so upset at the end of Fool's Fate. I was all for a relationship between Fitz and the Fool. It would have been lovely, i love the Fool myself. I found that aspect of the ending annoying. I don't like Molly fullstop. |
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| Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Swansea
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? i hated molly too. she's so bland. but the fool and fitz would never have worked out, im glad it went the way it did. i just wioshed it went that way sooner, without all the marriages! (but that i mean, i wished it had ended sooner. just with the fool leaving) |
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| | #51 (permalink) |
| AryaUnderfoot Join Date: Feb 2005
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? The Fool is most certainly a male, although he does make a good female. As for Molly, I found her annoying and disliked her immensely the first time I read the books, when I was less mature. Recently, though, I read the books again and reached an understanding of her. The poor girl had many reasons to be bitter about her life, and to be scared about the direction her life was taking. She was in love with a man who could never be available to her in the way that she deserved. I felt the same way about Burrich. At first, I disliked him for his callous way of treating Fitz and dealing with the Wit. But his love overcame everything else and he turned out to be a remarkable character. The end of his story was completely heartwrenching. |
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| | #54 (permalink) |
| ScottSF Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: California
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? Well then I am swimming against the tide. I will say then that Amber is definitley female. The thought of Fool and Lord Golden being a woman in disguise is less disturbing to me than think of Amber as a dude in disguise. I think I said that already. I've recenlty started the Soldier's Son Trilogy and I wonder what if there will be any controversy there. SirLofty is really Malta! ![]() |
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| | #59 (permalink) |
| Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Zealand (Aotorea)
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? Drumroll please The Fool's gender is... Male Proof you say? Oh, I almost forgot that part. Ironic really that the answer comes from a chapter aptly named "Revelations". That's Chp. 23 in Golden Fool. OK here we go... He drew in a shuddering breath. His teeth were near to chattering as he observed bitterly, ‘Well. Just when I thought there was no way she could increase her cruelty, she finds one. That poor, poor child.’ ‘Do yours hurt?’ I asked cautiously. He shook his head, still without looking at me. Some of his hair fell free of his grasp to brush across his shoulders. ‘No. Not now. But the application of them was extremely painful. And of great duration. They held me very still, for hours at a time. They apologized and tried to comfort me as they did it. That only made it worse, that people who otherwise treated me with such love and regard could do that to me. They were meticulously careful to needle them in just as she instructed them. It is a horrible thing to do to a child. Hold him still and hurt him. Any child.’ He rocked slightly, his shoulders hunched. His voice was distant. Straight from the horse's mouth. I hope this puts to rest this burning question and we can all move on with our lives. |
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| | #60 (permalink) |
| Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Swansea
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| Re: The Fool's Gender? well it doesn't really. because the fool would be acting as a male, right? talking to people who think he is male, he wouldn't say he was female, even if he was, in that situation. but i sitll think he's male anyway ![]() |
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