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Old 2nd September 2005, 02:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who gets Dawn?

Dawn is pretty damn incredible sword according to all reports and then it suddenly disappears with the death of Dayne (who is described as the paramount knight according to Eddard Stark - who was almost killed by him)

So, if Dawn does come back in the hands of a knight, who will weild it? My guess is it will be a major character we are already familiar with.

I'd love for the Hound to get it, but then he is not part of the Dayne line is he? Could it be Jon? I'd trade Longclaw for Dawn I think.

Any other ideas?
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Old 2nd September 2005, 02:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

According the the 'official' family stuff on this, Ser Wallace Chester married lady Alia Dayne and currently has Dawn in his possession

check under House Chester of Greenshield.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Hera...eraldry07.html
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Old 2nd September 2005, 05:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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According the the 'official' family stuff on this, Ser Wallace Chester married lady Alia Dayne and currently has Dawn in his possession
I wonder if that means that eventually we will see this Ser Wallace Chester become a major character?
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Old 2nd September 2005, 11:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

His name is Wallace Chester. A major character could never be named Wallace Chester... well, he could if he was Walter Mitty's best friend.

But if he does show up, I'd like to see him like Wallace Shawn's character in The Princess Bride... Vizzini. But will that happen? Inconceivable!
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Old 3rd September 2005, 06:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I thought Dawn was with the current Lord of Starfall, who was Ser Arthur's elder brother. But that doesn't work, does it, because Ned is the current Lord of Starfall. Perhaps he will inherit and weild it when he is knighted. Though he is knighted, isn't he? When he becomes a actual fighter, then, and not just a knighted squire...

In any case, I will have to have a browse through Westeros to refamiliarise myself before Feast.
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Old 3rd September 2005, 07:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

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I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I thought Dawn was with the current Lord of Starfall, who was Ser Arthur's elder brother. But that doesn't work, does it, because Ned is the current Lord of Starfall. Perhaps he will inherit and weild it when he is knighted. Though he is knighted, isn't he? When he becomes a actual fighter, then, and not just a knighted squire...

In any case, I will have to have a browse through Westeros to refamiliarise myself before Feast.
Thats what I thought. Ned needs to grow a little bit more to weild Dawn. Speaking of Dawn, is the sword Valyrian steel? I know Eddard dreams of that fatefull day when 7 went up against 3 at the Tower of Joy (i think). The sword has a milkyness if I remember correctly.
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Old 3rd September 2005, 07:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No, it is unique in that it is made from a fallen star.
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Old 3rd September 2005, 12:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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No, it is unique in that it is made from a fallen star.

So, the question is what, if any, unusual properties will it have? Valyrian steel is death to others, but will Dawn be?
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

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I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I thought Dawn was with the current Lord of Starfall, who was Ser Arthur's elder brother. But that doesn't work, does it, because Ned is the current Lord of Starfall. Perhaps he will inherit and weild it when he is knighted. Though he is knighted, isn't he? When he becomes a actual fighter, then, and not just a knighted squire...

In any case, I will have to have a browse through Westeros to refamiliarise myself before Feast.
I get the feeling it's been confiscated as punishment for the House been very strong (for obvious reasons) Targaryen loyalists. I'm not sure Edric Dayne would be given it. I get the impression that as far as the current rulers are concerned that family was on the losing side of the revolt and as such, "to the victors, the spoils"

Put it this way - if you had Dawn would you have given it up?
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Old 3rd September 2005, 07:52 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I get the feeling it's been confiscated as punishment for the House been very strong (for obvious reasons) Targaryen loyalists. I'm not sure Edric Dayne would be given it. I get the impression that as far as the current rulers are concerned that family was on the losing side of the revolt and as such, "to the victors, the spoils"

Put it this way - if you had Dawn would you have given it up?
That would be true, but I would have to think that King Robert would restore Dawn to the Dayne family. Robert had the tendeny to turn his enemies into friends, so long as they sweard fealty to him. Robert took Barristan the Bold to be his Lord Commander of the Kingsguard and Barristan did kill many of friends that Robert and Eddard had during the rebellion.
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

True, but Arthur Dayne died rather than yield.
I'm remembering the Dornish motto "Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken" - doesn't sound like a kingdom keen on compromise - that's why under Robert the whole kingdom was virtually ostracised, as evident by the fact it's taken to book 4 before we get a POV from there.
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Old 6th September 2005, 06:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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No, it is unique in that it is made from a fallen star.
Wow. I want a sword made from a fallen star.

As for the properties, I'd have to guess that the sword as glow to it. Besides that may be unexplainable heat.
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Old 7th September 2005, 08:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I always thought that Dawn would end up the hands of a POV.
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Old 7th September 2005, 05:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Maybe not a POV, but at least a major character. Like the Hound!!!
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Old 8th September 2005, 12:01 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Who gets Dawn?

Perhaps it already is in a POV or two.

Perhaps someone stole Dawn (cough... Varys... cough) and it found it's way into Melissandre's hands. What if the hilt had been changed and now Stannis was calling Dawn Lightbringer? Isn't that what the dawn does... bring the light?

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