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dustinzgirl · 21st May 2005, 03:22 PM

Star Wars is one of the first movies I remember seeing at a theater. I am a major star wars junkie. Now, yes, I will admit, there is some cliche acting, but that simply follows from the original series. Episode 1 was horrid, but I still loved it. Episode 3 was, for me, a near perfect lead into episode 4. I do not believe that Lucas meant for these films to be about acting, as strange as that sounds, but rather about the mystery and beauty that star wars fans admire and crave. In short, if you are not a star wars fan, you would probably roll your eyes at the movie. If you are, then Episode 3 may very well make you tear up.

WarlikeMenelaos · 21st May 2005, 05:13 PM

The problem I have with the prequels is the vast amount of things that were said in the original trilogy but just ignored in the prequels.

Ben told Luke that when he first met his father he was a great pilot. In Episode One he wasn't even a good pilot. He also said that Luke's father wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough. Ben doesn't remember the droids, for that matter neither did Owen and Beru.

Leia said that all she remembered of her mother were images, she was beautiful but sad. Sorry but I don't think a baby can retain memories within seconds of their birth (remember Padme isn't force sensitve so you can't put it down to the force) Obi Wan was trained by Yoda, not Qui-Gon!

Although the whole 'Sith' thing came about in the books, there is an interesting line in 'A New Hope' which kinda destroys it.

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine"

No mention of the Sith in episodes 4-6. Yoda doesn't seem that keen on training Luke, Obi-Wan isn't supposed to even know about Leia as seen in the following bit from Empire Strikes Back.

Obi Wan: That boy was our last hope
Yoda: No, there is another

These are a few of the anomolies that crop up because of the prequels, the entire feel of episodes 1-3 is different from 4-6. Plus am I the only one who thinks that the lightsaber duels are over flashy and stupid? I mean, anybody trained with a sword knows that simplicity is best. A sword is there to kill the other person, not as a prop for a stupid little jumpy flippy dance where you try to show off how many times you can swing you saber around or jump over someone (and when they're jumping the other person doesn't think to take the oppertunity to kill them)

If I wrote episodes 1-3, I would have based them more on Japan and the fall of the Samurai (Lucas was a big fan of the old Samurai films when he made episodes 4-6, you even kinda get a Samurai feel from the Jedi, especially Yoda) The prequels just seem so 'westernised'

If you enjoy them, that's great! But the reasons I've listed above are ther reasons why I can't enjoy them. To me these prequels are not Star Wars, they are alternate universe stuff. Oh well....sorry for the rant

Chefo · 22nd May 2005, 03:07 AM

Just came back from the cinema and I must say I have mixed feelings about this one. The CGI's are nice but as WarlikeMenelaos mentioned, that looks like a computer game, not a movie. The kid who plays Anakin/Vader never gets a chance for his lines were so bland that I'm not sure anybody could have pulled it off.

Among many other things, that movie simply destroyed the 'mystique', if you will, of the Emperor. The perception from the 4-6 was that he was the ultimate 'evil' guy. He appears weak in this one. It just didn't feel right.

That last comment translates for the entire movie. There was something amiss...

In a way, I am disappointed by the entire sequence 1-3. The original three episodes had a charm that simply isn't there with the prequels. In the new ones, there is quite more eye-candy but not much of anything else. I am not sure who wrote the script, but there were either 4 hours of movie missing or it was awkwardly put together. If a movie has a $150 mil budget, that kind of cash HAS to be able to buy the best writers in the industry.

The problem, in my opinion, is not lack of imagination on Lucas' part but rather his inability to retain focus. There are a million things going on, some of which appear to be marginal yet they get more screen time than the truly important sequences. The former have the CGI factor yet I personally prefer more acting.

My 2 cents,

Chefo

Eradius Lore · 22nd May 2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WarlikeMenelaos

Ben told Luke that when he first met his father he was a great pilot. In Episode One he wasn't even a good pilot. He also said that Luke's father wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough. Ben doesn't remember the droids, for that matter neither did Owen and Beru.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarlikeMenelaos

Leia said that all she remembered of her mother were images, she was beautiful but sad. Sorry but I don't think a baby can retain memories within seconds of their birth (remember Padme isn't force sensitve so you can't put it down to the force) Obi Wan was trained by Yoda, not Qui-Gon!

Although the whole 'Sith' thing came about in the books, there is an interesting line in 'A New Hope' which kinda destroys it.

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine"

No mention of the Sith in episodes 4-6. Yoda doesn't seem that keen on training Luke, Obi-Wan isn't supposed to even know about Leia as seen in the following bit from Empire Strikes Back.

Obi Wan: That boy was our last hope
Yoda: No, there is another

I might have an answer to some of these.

Perhaps he’s talking about the fact he destroyed the trade federation control ship.

Obi one probably thought that Anakin would have wanted Luke to have the lightsabre when he grew up.

perhaps the reason obi one cant remember the droids is because it was around 20 years since he last seen them and he cant remember them same for Owen and Beru there even longer since they seen the droids.

As for leia that is a bit of a mess up and the same with obi one being trained by yoda.

as for "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine" he obviously doesn’t want luke to know that vader is his father and that he went to the dark side, he would not be ready for it and besides do you think he would believe him.

yoda doesn’t seem keen to train luke because he thinks he will follow in his fathers footsteps, but has to train him because he is the last hope to restore the jedi order.

obi one does know about leia because in episode 6 when vader found out about lukes twin sister he says " obi one was wise to keep her from me, his failure is now complete"

as for the line you mention in the empire strikes back, how the hell is a dead person and a dieing green imp with know ship going to get her to come with them and train in the way of the force. and luke was partially force sensitive because of obi ones brief training.

WarlikeMenelaos · 22nd May 2005, 02:21 PM

Good answers there Eradius Lore and I must admit that you've had to make me think, despite what you've said there are still some things that are messed up. There's no point of a debate because there are things i've missed and I don't wanna make a fool outta myself, lol. Plus, everyone vision of the Star Wars saga depend greatly on their certain point of view.

Luke: Certain point of view? (sorry, had to put that one in there!)

I hope nobody thinks I am trying to rip apart the prequel trilogy because of some hatred of Star Wars cause I am a huge fan. On the other hand, I'm also an aspiring writer and feel as though there are major differences between the original Star Wars and the prequels which scream lazy writing. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas just remakes the original trilogy to tie in better with the prequels, or maybe that's just me being silly.

Maddy · 22nd May 2005, 02:56 PM

My criticism of people criticizing the film might have been taken wrong. Sorry but I just feel that it must be really difficult to take whot was done 20 years ago and tying it into something new.

Eradius Lore made many points that I was going to make in response to WarlikeMenelaos.

Anakin as a pilot...Anakin was also piloting pod racers.
Point of view debate...Anakin and Palpatine had this discussion.

Leia remembering her mother...photos, holos...

Obi-wan trained by Yoda...Yoda was not training apprentices. He was instructing younglings and i suspect that Obi-wan had a class or two with him.

Identifying robots...First of all Obi-Wan never owned a bot. Second is that in the Star Wars universe robots are a dime a dozen and just because we can recognize r2 and 3po among the rest people in that universe would see them as common as we do a car or comp.

I liked your thought about the samuri fall. That was a great point and idea.

One thing about the fight scenes. Nothing can compare to Darth Maul. The actors did their best but the guy who played Maul is a martial arts expert.

Yoda is 900 years old. He doesnt know he is going to get pneumonia in Ep 6 because he is still healthy in his swamp. He wasnt keen to train Luke because what happens if this little brat is just like his daddy.

Lucas's efforts and this universe he created, though it is for profit it is fun and entertaining. I have my issues with the shows too and came here to see what others said about it. I want to write professionally but it is something that is really daunting. I've written around 90k of one story but it is hard to keep things tied together.

Palpatine was faking it. He wasnt weak. He needed Anakin to feel like he was weak. Read the book.

Eradius Lore · 22nd May 2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddy

Anakin as a pilot...Anakin was also piloting pod racers.

one point about this, Obi one was on tatooine but he never left the ship so he would never have seen anakin pod race

HenryVI · 22nd May 2005, 04:00 PM

I thought the movie was ok, I didn't like the droid humor. Star Wars is an epic saga, not a comedy. My favorite part was when Yoda fought Darth Palpatine erm.... I mean Sidious, and when Obi-Wan fought Anakin. But there were so many allusions to the original 3. When Obi and Annie were fighting on that pillar/platform, The Empire Strikes Back, when Owen and Beru were looking out at the two Tatooine suns, Star Wars:A New Hope. But I felt tears when the Jedi's were being massacered. I almost cried when I saw Yoda gasp as Anakin fiercly betrayed the Jedi to save Palpatine by cutting off Mace Windu's lightsaber arm. I'm glad Samuel L. Jackson was going to quit unless Mace Windu died with a battle, because the movie woulda stunk without it. It was the ultimate turning point in the movie.

HenryVI · 22nd May 2005, 04:05 PM

Oh and Winter's Sorrow, waddya do with that cool avatar? and why did Master change his avatar and title for the umpteenth time this month?

Alexa · 22nd May 2005, 04:37 PM

I believe that humor droid make the movie accessible to children, too, not only for adults.

Winters_Sorrow · 22nd May 2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryVI

Oh and Winter's Sorrow, waddya do with that cool avatar? and why did Master change his avatar and title for the umpteenth time this month?

it's just in storage for later use.
It was even starting to creep me out!

Alia · 22nd May 2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexa

I believe that humor droid make the movie accessible to children, too, not only for adults.

Now see I love the droids in the movie, especially R2D2 at the beginning... but maybe that's just the kid in me.

dustinzgirl · 22nd May 2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarlikeMenelaos

The problem I have with the prequels is the vast amount of things that were said in the original trilogy but just ignored in the prequels.

If you enjoy them, that's great! But the reasons I've listed above are ther reasons why I can't enjoy them. To me these prequels are not Star Wars, they are alternate universe stuff. Oh well....sorry for the rant

Inconsistencies are to be expected. I think it is sad that they ruin the movie for you. Every major flick that has sequels has major inconsistencies, especially those that sell big. It is just the way it is. And, as far as I remember it, Obi knew about leigha in the original set. But I could be wrong.

Alexa · 22nd May 2005, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alia

Now see I love the droids in the movie, especially R2D2 at the beginning... but maybe that's just the kid in me.

You are not the only one.

Teresa Edgerton · 22nd May 2005, 09:47 PM

Perhaps someone who has seen Episode III can tell me something I've been wondering about for a long time:

Do they ever come up with a rational explanation for why, in trying to conceal Luke from his father, and with an entire galaxy to choose from, they decided to hide him
a) on Anakin's home planet
b) with Anakin's step-family
c) near the site of Anakin's mother's grave (the one spot in the universe where you might expect him to turn up sooner or later)

and then, just to make the disguise really impenetrable
d) raise him under the Skywalker family name?

21st May 2005, 03:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
dustinzgirl Mod of Awesome Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,724	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Star Wars is one of the first movies I remember seeing at a theater. I am a major star wars junkie. Now, yes, I will admit, there is some cliche acting, but that simply follows from the original series. Episode 1 was horrid, but I still loved it. Episode 3 was, for me, a near perfect lead into episode 4. I do not believe that Lucas meant for these films to be about acting, as strange as that sounds, but rather about the mystery and beauty that star wars fans admire and crave. In short, if you are not a star wars fan, you would probably roll your eyes at the movie. If you are, then Episode 3 may very well make you tear up.

21st May 2005, 05:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
WarlikeMenelaos Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 74	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith The problem I have with the prequels is the vast amount of things that were said in the original trilogy but just ignored in the prequels. Ben told Luke that when he first met his father he was a great pilot. In Episode One he wasn't even a good pilot. He also said that Luke's father wanted Luke to have his lightsaber when he was old enough. Ben doesn't remember the droids, for that matter neither did Owen and Beru. Leia said that all she remembered of her mother were images, she was beautiful but sad. Sorry but I don't think a baby can retain memories within seconds of their birth (remember Padme isn't force sensitve so you can't put it down to the force) Obi Wan was trained by Yoda, not Qui-Gon! Although the whole 'Sith' thing came about in the books, there is an interesting line in 'A New Hope' which kinda destroys it. "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine" No mention of the Sith in episodes 4-6. Yoda doesn't seem that keen on training Luke, Obi-Wan isn't supposed to even know about Leia as seen in the following bit from Empire Strikes Back. Obi Wan: That boy was our last hope Yoda: No, there is another These are a few of the anomolies that crop up because of the prequels, the entire feel of episodes 1-3 is different from 4-6. Plus am I the only one who thinks that the lightsaber duels are over flashy and stupid? I mean, anybody trained with a sword knows that simplicity is best. A sword is there to kill the other person, not as a prop for a stupid little jumpy flippy dance where you try to show off how many times you can swing you saber around or jump over someone (and when they're jumping the other person doesn't think to take the oppertunity to kill them) If I wrote episodes 1-3, I would have based them more on Japan and the fall of the Samurai (Lucas was a big fan of the old Samurai films when he made episodes 4-6, you even kinda get a Samurai feel from the Jedi, especially Yoda) The prequels just seem so 'westernised' If you enjoy them, that's great! But the reasons I've listed above are ther reasons why I can't enjoy them. To me these prequels are not Star Wars, they are alternate universe stuff. Oh well....sorry for the rant

22nd May 2005, 03:07 AM	#18 (permalink)
Chefo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 70	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Just came back from the cinema and I must say I have mixed feelings about this one. The CGI's are nice but as WarlikeMenelaos mentioned, that looks like a computer game, not a movie. The kid who plays Anakin/Vader never gets a chance for his lines were so bland that I'm not sure anybody could have pulled it off. Among many other things, that movie simply destroyed the 'mystique', if you will, of the Emperor. The perception from the 4-6 was that he was the ultimate 'evil' guy. He appears weak in this one. It just didn't feel right. That last comment translates for the entire movie. There was something amiss... In a way, I am disappointed by the entire sequence 1-3. The original three episodes had a charm that simply isn't there with the prequels. In the new ones, there is quite more eye-candy but not much of anything else. I am not sure who wrote the script, but there were either 4 hours of movie missing or it was awkwardly put together. If a movie has a $150 mil budget, that kind of cash HAS to be able to buy the best writers in the industry. The problem, in my opinion, is not lack of imagination on Lucas' part but rather his inability to retain focus. There are a million things going on, some of which appear to be marginal yet they get more screen time than the truly important sequences. The former have the CGI factor yet I personally prefer more acting. My 2 cents, Chefo

22nd May 2005, 02:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
WarlikeMenelaos Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 74	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Good answers there Eradius Lore and I must admit that you've had to make me think, despite what you've said there are still some things that are messed up. There's no point of a debate because there are things i've missed and I don't wanna make a fool outta myself, lol. Plus, everyone vision of the Star Wars saga depend greatly on their certain point of view. Luke: Certain point of view? (sorry, had to put that one in there!) I hope nobody thinks I am trying to rip apart the prequel trilogy because of some hatred of Star Wars cause I am a huge fan. On the other hand, I'm also an aspiring writer and feel as though there are major differences between the original Star Wars and the prequels which scream lazy writing. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas just remakes the original trilogy to tie in better with the prequels, or maybe that's just me being silly.

22nd May 2005, 02:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
Maddy Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith My criticism of people criticizing the film might have been taken wrong. Sorry but I just feel that it must be really difficult to take whot was done 20 years ago and tying it into something new. Eradius Lore made many points that I was going to make in response to WarlikeMenelaos. Anakin as a pilot...Anakin was also piloting pod racers. Point of view debate...Anakin and Palpatine had this discussion. Leia remembering her mother...photos, holos... Obi-wan trained by Yoda...Yoda was not training apprentices. He was instructing younglings and i suspect that Obi-wan had a class or two with him. Identifying robots...First of all Obi-Wan never owned a bot. Second is that in the Star Wars universe robots are a dime a dozen and just because we can recognize r2 and 3po among the rest people in that universe would see them as common as we do a car or comp. I liked your thought about the samuri fall. That was a great point and idea. One thing about the fight scenes. Nothing can compare to Darth Maul. The actors did their best but the guy who played Maul is a martial arts expert. Yoda is 900 years old. He doesnt know he is going to get pneumonia in Ep 6 because he is still healthy in his swamp. He wasnt keen to train Luke because what happens if this little brat is just like his daddy. Lucas's efforts and this universe he created, though it is for profit it is fun and entertaining. I have my issues with the shows too and came here to see what others said about it. I want to write professionally but it is something that is really daunting. I've written around 90k of one story but it is hard to keep things tied together. Palpatine was faking it. He wasnt weak. He needed Anakin to feel like he was weak. Read the book.

22nd May 2005, 04:00 PM	#23 (permalink)
HenryVI Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 24	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith I thought the movie was ok, I didn't like the droid humor. Star Wars is an epic saga, not a comedy. My favorite part was when Yoda fought Darth Palpatine erm.... I mean Sidious, and when Obi-Wan fought Anakin. But there were so many allusions to the original 3. When Obi and Annie were fighting on that pillar/platform, The Empire Strikes Back, when Owen and Beru were looking out at the two Tatooine suns, Star Wars:A New Hope. But I felt tears when the Jedi's were being massacered. I almost cried when I saw Yoda gasp as Anakin fiercly betrayed the Jedi to save Palpatine by cutting off Mace Windu's lightsaber arm. I'm glad Samuel L. Jackson was going to quit unless Mace Windu died with a battle, because the movie woulda stunk without it. It was the ultimate turning point in the movie.

22nd May 2005, 04:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
HenryVI Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 24	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Oh and Winter's Sorrow, waddya do with that cool avatar? and why did Master change his avatar and title for the umpteenth time this month?

22nd May 2005, 04:37 PM	#25 (permalink)
Alexa traveller space dreamer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 508	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith I believe that humor droid make the movie accessible to children, too, not only for adults.

22nd May 2005, 09:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
Teresa Edgerton Goblin Princess Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 9,991 Blog Entries: 17	Re: Review of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Perhaps someone who has seen Episode III can tell me something I've been wondering about for a long time: Do they ever come up with a rational explanation for why, in trying to conceal Luke from his father, and with an entire galaxy to choose from, they decided to hide him a) on Anakin's home planet b) with Anakin's step-family c) near the site of Anakin's mother's grave (the one spot in the universe where you might expect him to turn up sooner or later) and then, just to make the disguise really impenetrable d) raise him under the Skywalker family name?

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