Who is Alain? - Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums

Alia · 13th May 2005, 02:47 PM

Over in Kate Elliott's website, she too has a discussion board, and they (those people who post over there) are coming very close to figuring out who Alain is...

Alain is the only part of the story that still naggs me to this day. And because I love a good discussion and none of us knows (except for Kate herself and she is making us wait) know who Alain is, I thought this would be a good thread.
So, what are all of your thoughts on who he is?
Diamone?
Angel?
God?
Child of a Saint? Which Saint if you think this.
or Other?

Thought of putting this thread as a poll, but I wanted this to be an ideas thread, more things to hash out and I think a poll is too restricting concerning this matter.

Anyways...
Your thoughts?

Teresa Edgerton · 13th May 2005, 05:14 PM

Whoever Alain turns out to be, it had better be something darn good -- to make up for all he's suffered along the way.

Alia · 13th May 2005, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelpie

Whoever Alain turns out to be, it had better be something darn good -- to make up for all he's suffered along the way.

I agree! The poor man has suffered all through the whole story and the worse was at the end of book 5. I have to say, I'm glad that Kate put the first chapter of book 6 on line showing us that Alain was being taken care of. (is that the mother in me coming out?) :0

Rahl Windsong · 14th May 2005, 08:55 PM

My theory is that he is the one person who can bring peace between the humans and the Eika (SP?) You may call that ambassador but personally I would put a higher meaning or title to it and say he is, or could be if his destiny is realised, the King for all.

But then again I have only read the first two books.

Rahl

GOLLUM · 15th May 2005, 12:07 AM

Well that is the $64 question but as Kate has already said to this humble poster and many others the answer is alrerady there in the text! Therefore we need to get smarter, time to take out that marker pen and reread the series ...

As per Kelpie's and Rahl's comments I suspect Alain will be a pivotal character in presumably bringing about eventual peace but will hopefully prove to be another one of Kate's neat revelations before the end...

Alia · 15th May 2005, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Kate has already said to this humble poster and many others the answer is alrerady there in the text!

Aaahhh... Gollum, but if we work it out, I'm sure we can figure it out. So, what do you think he is...
I have a think he may be half god...

In The Burning Stone, Rosvita has a dream when she wakes she thinks she heard Theo (the princess) complaining, but I don't think so...
TBS pages 446 PB
"The lost ones surrounded her, crowding her with their jewel eyes and barbaric clothing, whispering secrets in her ears: 'I did not protest as long as I saw that our lord father preferred his firstborn, for that is the way of things, and as one of those who came second I did not mind waiting behind the first, because I saw that he was worthy. But what good is my high birth if our lord father marries again and sires younger children whom he loves more and sets above me? Why shaould I serve them, when I came before them? Is that not why the angesl rebelled?"

My thoughts are that the Lord Father or God or in this book 'The Lord' is Alain's father... That maybe the blessed Diasan is an older brother.
Thoughts?

GOLLUM · 15th May 2005, 12:49 AM

UM.. to be honest Alia I'm really not sure...

You have a much deeper knowledge of the books than I do so as I said I will need to do a reread. In fact I will be doing this but only when In The Ruins is in my posession and the final book is close to release i.e by year's end. I've done this with other series so that I've not had to wait X years before the final parts come out.

Actually sometimes I'll "collect" a series but not start reading it until the final book or two are on the way to the bookstore. It's a technique that requires a fair amont of patience and restraint but one that has generally paid off for me in some cases at least..

Alia · 15th May 2005, 01:00 AM

Hey Gollum, I'm much the same way about not reading a series until the author is done... but I have to admit that when I started to read this series I thought the collection was complete... boy was I wrong.

GOLLUM · 15th May 2005, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alia

Hey Gollum, I'm much the same way about not reading a series until the author is done... but I have to admit that when I started to read this series I thought the collection was complete... boy was I wrong.

Yeh I had the same impression although I knew it wan't completed but anticipated it concluding much sooner GRRRR.....

However I was at least lucky in that I only discovered Kate elliott in the past 12 months or so, so for me the wait isn't too bad. I feel sorry for the people who first started reading her COS series around 2000. You one of them??

Alia · 15th May 2005, 01:14 AM

I first read the books right after Adam was born, May 13 last year... so no, I'm not. Since then I have reread the first 3 books and read all 5 so far... I will finish rereading (and that means taking notes

)on the last two before the next book comes out...

GOLLUM · 15th May 2005, 01:21 AM

Whoa busy girl..

It's sunday morning here in OZ and I'm just chilling out planning my visit on Monday to more antique booksellers, time to immerse myself in eras past AHHH!!!

Signing off now till next time from the Lit God..

Lacedaemonian · 21st May 2005, 02:23 PM

I have only read a couple hundred pages, but am already forming some opinion on who Alain could be.

Alia · 21st May 2005, 07:05 PM

So are you going to share or just keep quiet until you finish the whole series? Which, btw, how are you enjoying the books so far? Any good? Up to your standard?

Teresa Edgerton · 21st May 2005, 08:56 PM

I think I can predict that a keen mind like yours, Lace, will entertain many theories before the series is done.

Alia · 21st May 2005, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelpie

I think I can predict that a keen mind like yours, Lace, will entertain many theories before the series is done.

lol... I'm hoping that Lacey's mind will be keen enough to narrow it down to the right theory... well, it would be interesting to see what he thinks anyways.

13th May 2005, 02:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alia Young at Heart Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,136	Who is Alain? Over in Kate Elliott's website, she too has a discussion board, and they (those people who post over there) are coming very close to figuring out who Alain is... Alain is the only part of the story that still naggs me to this day. And because I love a good discussion and none of us knows (except for Kate herself and she is making us wait) know who Alain is, I thought this would be a good thread. So, what are all of your thoughts on who he is? Diamone? Angel? God? Child of a Saint? Which Saint if you think this. or Other? Thought of putting this thread as a poll, but I wanted this to be an ideas thread, more things to hash out and I think a poll is too restricting concerning this matter. Anyways... Your thoughts?

13th May 2005, 05:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Teresa Edgerton Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 4,359	Re: Who is Alain? Whoever Alain turns out to be, it had better be something darn good -- to make up for all he's suffered along the way.

14th May 2005, 08:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rahl Windsong Last of the Windsong Clan Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 506	Re: Who is Alain? My theory is that he is the one person who can bring peace between the humans and the Eika (SP?) You may call that ambassador but personally I would put a higher meaning or title to it and say he is, or could be if his destiny is realised, the King for all. But then again I have only read the first two books. Rahl

15th May 2005, 12:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
GOLLUM Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 5,187	Re: Who is Alain? Well that is the $64 question but as Kate has already said to this humble poster and many others the answer is alrerady there in the text! Therefore we need to get smarter, time to take out that marker pen and reread the series ... As per Kelpie's and Rahl's comments I suspect Alain will be a pivotal character in presumably bringing about eventual peace but will hopefully prove to be another one of Kate's neat revelations before the end...

15th May 2005, 12:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
GOLLUM Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 5,187	Re: Who is Alain? UM.. to be honest Alia I'm really not sure... You have a much deeper knowledge of the books than I do so as I said I will need to do a reread. In fact I will be doing this but only when In The Ruins is in my posession and the final book is close to release i.e by year's end. I've done this with other series so that I've not had to wait X years before the final parts come out. Actually sometimes I'll "collect" a series but not start reading it until the final book or two are on the way to the bookstore. It's a technique that requires a fair amont of patience and restraint but one that has generally paid off for me in some cases at least..

15th May 2005, 01:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
Alia Young at Heart Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,136	Re: Who is Alain? Hey Gollum, I'm much the same way about not reading a series until the author is done... but I have to admit that when I started to read this series I thought the collection was complete... boy was I wrong.

15th May 2005, 01:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
Alia Young at Heart Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,136	Re: Who is Alain? I first read the books right after Adam was born, May 13 last year... so no, I'm not. Since then I have reread the first 3 books and read all 5 so far... I will finish rereading (and that means taking notes )on the last two before the next book comes out...

15th May 2005, 01:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
GOLLUM Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 5,187	Re: Who is Alain? Whoa busy girl.. It's sunday morning here in OZ and I'm just chilling out planning my visit on Monday to more antique booksellers, time to immerse myself in eras past AHHH!!! Signing off now till next time from the Lit God..

21st May 2005, 02:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lacedaemonian ***Dux Bellorum*** Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,317	Re: Who is Alain? I have only read a couple hundred pages, but am already forming some opinion on who Alain could be.

21st May 2005, 07:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
Alia Young at Heart Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,136	Re: Who is Alain? So are you going to share or just keep quiet until you finish the whole series? Which, btw, how are you enjoying the books so far? Any good? Up to your standard?

21st May 2005, 08:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Teresa Edgerton Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 4,359	Re: Who is Alain? I think I can predict that a keen mind like yours, Lace, will entertain many theories before the series is done.

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