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| Reading Critically A recent entry on Ian Sales' blog made the following point: Quote:
It would also be interesting to know from contributors to this thread whether they think they read books in such a way and how often. | |
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| Hypercharged Detonator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Africa
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| Re: Reading Critically Why would I read a novel and study it like a textbook unless it was for school? I read for enjoyment and surely if people are well read in genres they can speak their minds. It is only their opinions after all and not the be all and end all. |
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My daughter studies English [brag] a Cambridge scholar with a full scholarship to Harvard recently awarded [/brag] and what I've seen of academic critical reading through the lens of her experience is very different from what I've seen... elsewhere. Critical reading for her and those around her is an analysis of theme and structure in the context of wider literature and the movements within it. It's not a pseudo intellectual attempt to push an agenda. | |
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| Dramatically tremendous | Re: Reading Critically I do now, I didn't used to, and I suspect most of the aspiring writing crowd would say the same. I've just started Joe Abercrombie this morning, and these are the sort of things running through my mind: Logen's voice, did I like it? Did it stay constant, or slip just a little? I thought the latter, but it seemed to work well anyway. Glotka: his internal thoughts were a little intrusive for me. But I loved a repeat of the imagery of how he walked. So that repeat was about two and a half pages on at the end of the section. Or, I read Her Fearful Symmetry at the weekend, and found pov shifting a little clumsy, found my incredulity stretched. I enjoy reading a little less than I used to because of it, and definitely don't read as much because of it. But, when I'm blown away now, it's total blowing away. I read it once, quick, for the story, and then love reading lines, working out why they worked, working out how the characters worked for me. I read TimeTraveler's wife about six times in a row, figuring out how the author got me so bought into these characters. Then I went and read Rachel's Holiday to see how the same impact -- loving the characters -- was done in third. (The fact that I bawled at the end, again, indicates she still pulled me in.) Or Before I die, I used some of her techniques for a pov character in my last wip. So, yes, different, and definitely gets in the way of enjoyment, but for me, I do it to learn what works for me, and to try to be able to do it myself. The skills, when I teach critical reading skills (for managers, but the skills are the same), are to be able to read beyond the top surface, to pick up themes, to be able to question what's in front of us and it's validity (like what I was doing with Glotka), a logical approach to reading. PS I hope, soon, to be able to read something non critically again. But I think writing might always have spoiled reading for me, just a bit. |
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| Re: Reading Critically I would hesitate to say that one should "read critically." That might seem to imply a kind of over-"vigilance" that could get in the way of good reading. I sometimes put it as reading "alertly." The effectiveness of some stories depends on one reading in a relaxed and not very alert way. (I don't mean that the authors necessarily consciously counted on such reading; maybe they did, maybe they didn't.) Take Conan Doyle's "Speckled band," which I've read numerous times with enjoyment. If one reads alertly, one realizesthat the story is preposterous: that the wicked Dr. Roylott could be able to train an Indian snake to crawl from one room into another, to crawl down a dummy bell-pull (just even the crawling down a limp strip of cloth is pretty hard to believe), to approach its victim without awakening her and thereby prompting questions, etc. The victim's bed is bolted to the floor so that its position relative to the bell-pull will be correct; the victim would never ask why? For that matter, the victim would never ask why the bell-pull is not attached to a bell but remains in place? And so on. Some stories can be read for casual entertainment and work well just as such. And then some can hardly be enjoyed if one doesn't read attentively, asking questions whether about plot details or about other things. An author may become exasperated if he or she feels that readers are reading h/h stories with too much or, I suppose more often, too little attention. I think much fantasy and sf has to be read in a fairly relaxed frame of mind or else problems arise -- such as I've suggested for "The Speckled Band," or of other sorts. We may be accustomed to reading sf and f without our minds being all that active. Some authors, unhappy about what they might have perceived as a sort of unspoken bargain between authors and readers (the one to write entertainingly and without requiring alertness, the other not asking for careful writing and richness), may write with shrillness of tone or impose deliberate difficulties of structure, etc. to try to jolt readers into reading more alertly, but then their work may be faulted for pretentiousness, etc. The situation may be complicated if the same author has written stories that "need" to be read basically just as relaxing entertainment, maybe giving an easy thrill, and then also stories that reward alert reading. Also the story's venue may affect reading. A story with a lot to offer may have appeared in a pulp magazine with a garish cover and fail to get the alert reading that would reward a reader. The reader needs to be discerning, so maybe that's what I'll say, that we need to be discerning readers. We'll read "The Speckled Band" and, as it were, make allowances for, or indulge, certain weaknesses, in this case as regards plausibility. With other stories we'll indulge other kinds of faults, such as imprecise or clumsy use of language. With still others we'll read and read again, receiving more and more of what is there to be received. A clarifying short book on all this is C. S. Lewis's An Experiment in Criticism. |
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| Re: Reading Critically He explains reading critically in the quote you have there: Quote:
We all do it to some extent when we read books. There'll be a character we don't like, or a bit of the book that seemed pointless or dragged out. Those are things that, if we were writing the book, we'd look at changing because they don't work for us. | |
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| Re: Reading Critically I'm with biodroid. If I read critically there'd be absolutely no pleasure in it, (which is the reason I'm reading, after all) and my MA in Creative and Critical Writing [brag] taught me one thing, amongst many. The intellectual exercise of critical reading has very little to do with being anything more than that... ask 20 individuals to critically read a piece and you will obtain 20 differing opinions. That last word there, is key. If I wish to seriously discuss SciFi/fantasy, I do it from what is in front of me; I do not need to how the story works, or how and why the author succeeded or failed, other than in my own opinion. This can (naturally) be biased towards things I like and dislike - I cannot read Iain Hamilton books, for instance, because the writing style jars so badly with me, personally. There, I've advanced a criticism of a writer, but it's based entirely on my own personal preference/opinion, which does change, and who knows? Maybe in a few years I'll read him again and find I like his books. I read for pleasure, but when I've critiqued whole books for others, I will read a second and third time, looking at it critically. I always say to every one of them : this is my opinion and if it gels, then think about changing it - if it doesn't, ignore me, because you're the writer, it's your words (your hidden opinions, possibly) and asking someone to change things because it I don't agree with it, is completely nonsensical (unless I'm a multi-million selling author/agent/publisher, of course...). As Dozmonic says above, if we were writing the book, we'd look at changing because they don't work for us. But Since we're reading a book that's already in print, that has no chance of changing in any way shape or form, reading critically is an exercise that can help us formulate our own opinions, and nothing more. |
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| The Enigma of Steel | Re: Reading Critically I also don't read critically. I read for enjoyment. On the other hand I do miss a lot of things when it comes to discussions on books. If I felt the need to get into a particular work deeper, I would probably pick it apart rather than just live it as I do now strictly for enjoyment. |
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| Brownie Baker Supreme | Re: Reading Critically When I work on a translation, I necessarily have to read critically, as a good translation involves picking something apart in one language and putting it together in another. It means I notice all the flaws in a text. When reading for pleasure, I switch off that part of my brain entirely and just enjoy. Which is why I never take part in the more critical Chrons debates, and probably makes me a rubbish Beta, too! I'll tell you if I liked your book but won't be much good at suggestions... |
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| Re: Reading Critically I am in the reading for entertainment group. I think Springs hit on a basic truth, dissect the book too much and you begin to diminish the enjoyment. I do not write and given my already significant passage of years am highly unlikely to ever do so. As such I see no value to me in looking at literature this way. Having said that, I do notice odd sentence structures, typos, word errors (their versus there) types of things but usually that only results in a brief pause while I decipher what I think the author was trying to say or confirm in my mind the proper word and then it is on with the story. |
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| Re: Reading Critically For me reading, watching, reading critically is about understanding why I love something but I never do it on the first pass. To me it is not about themes it is about understanding the technique another author has used. At present I am sat listening/watching Dolly Parton as I cannot think of a better writer of characters - she is stunning and her methods of tugging at the heart strings are so simple. I have to say she has stood up to my critical understanding and I love her work more as a result. But, like others I read mostly for enjoyment and only pick it apart when I want to incorporate something into my own writing. If I want my stories to have the "magic" to transport readers then I need to be able to still experience it for myself. |
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