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Old 23rd May 2012, 01:04 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Warging might be exclusive to the North, and might in some way involve the Old Gods, but we can't rule out the possbility that non-Northerners can warg just because we haven't seen anyone do it yet. .
Just to back your stament further as far as warging not being exclusive to the north. I have currently been going over any and all things bloodraven and the 3 eyed crow and the wall. So today @ work during break i was going through a wiki of ice and fire about the 3 eyed crow that does point out

The mother of Brynden Rivers was Mylessa of House Blackdood which is descended from the first men, and is one of the few houses south of the Neck that still keeps the Old Gods. If either of those factors are prerequisites for greenseers, Rivers satisfies them.
The three-eyed crow favors ravens for skinchanging. Brynden's nickname is 'Bloodraven'.

this also furthers the notion of a warg being in the raven who sticks with The old bear and jon snow (it sends no messeges and can say more then most of the other ravens)

so placing this all together witht he fact that BR was known to be a former master of whispers (before varys) amoung the his other rumors of magic and such i say the argument of him being both fm and warg grows srtonger. sure targs are not from the north but some of their mothers could have been northerners or of the old gods
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Jaqen being a warg? Naw. It's fairly simple to sick a dog on someone when you've hurt the dog or just made it scared or angry enough. Not to say that I routinely hurt, scare or anger dogs, but from my observations I can tell that it shouldn't be that hard. You have to keep in mind that dogs will act on instinct.

As for Jorah, I'm sure that it was said he just gives letters to those people sailing for Westeros. Or maybe he used LinkedIn (you didn't say LinkedIn )
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Old 23rd May 2012, 03:22 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I am in agreement with Syphon, however, I am intrigued by the question of weather or not Warging is resigned strictly to the North. I wouldn't believe that it is.

If we accept that it has something to do with bloodlines, then we have to accept that it can happen anywhere in Westeros or even accross the narrow sea. If Lyanna had married Robert and moved to King's landing with him, I see no reason why her children, born in the south, wouldn't be able to Warg. Even after a few generations, I don't see why that ability would die down, but then again, Magic. It's like the force in star wars, it can explain why everything can and can't happen.

Why is Bran better at Warging than Robb? Magic.

How did Jaqen Hagar get that dog to attack its master? Magic.
actually, that gets me thinking... What if Jaqen made himself look like Weese and got the Dog to attack the real Weese? :O
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Old 23rd May 2012, 04:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I thought a fm could only use the face of some one already dead. How ever keeping with the poss of a fm w warging ability perhaps jaq warged into weese and the dog attacked weese sensing the imposter with in him?
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Jaqen being a warg? Naw. It's fairly simple to sick a dog on someone when you've hurt the dog or just made it scared or angry enough. Not to say that I routinely hurt, scare or anger dogs, but from my observations I can tell that it shouldn't be that hard. You have to keep in mind that dogs will act on instinct.

As for Jorah, I'm sure that it was said he just gives letters to those people sailing for Westeros. Or maybe he used LinkedIn (you didn't say LinkedIn )
As a dog owner for the better part of 40 years, I'll say that I've never owned or met a dog that wasn't absolutlely loyal to me (or its') master, and there's no way that you could have gotten any of my dogs to even growl at me, let alone attack. Perhaps the theory that Weese's dog svaged him after he was dead is true, but my belief is that no dog would shred its' master after he or she was dead, not even a scumbag master such as Weese. Maybe Jaqan could have used some sort of scent on Weese to confuse the dog, as they rely most on smell, but they also know their master's voice.
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I'm sure Jaqen has all sorts of tricks up his sleeve, but an important aspect that we are missing, is that GRRM might not have your experience with dogs, and therefore might not have thought a dog eating its dead master was so unreasonable.
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As a dog owner for the better part of 40 years, I'll say that I've never owned or met a dog that wasn't absolutlely loyal to me (or its') master, and there's no way that you could have gotten any of my dogs to even growl at me, let alone attack. Perhaps the theory that Weese's dog svaged him after he was dead is true, but my belief is that no dog would shred its' master after he or she was dead, not even a scumbag master such as Weese. Maybe Jaqan could have used some sort of scent on Weese to confuse the dog, as they rely most on smell, but they also know their master's voice.
A dog that gets rabies will attack anyone regardless of loyalty. My first theory is that Jaqan used some kind of psychosomatic drug or poison on the dog along with some training to attack its former master.

My second (and more likely) theory is that the author put that in there as something to make the reader use their imagination. GRRM may not really have a definite idea himself how that could be done which is why it stays so mysterious.
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A dog that gets rabies will attack anyone regardless of loyalty. My first theory is that Jaqan used some kind of psychosomatic drug or poison on the dog along with some training to attack its former master.
Tywin pretty much has it right, but I found the answer *pats self on back*, so I had to register and post it.

Basilisk Blood.

AFFC, US edition page 736, Arya is in the House of Black and White helping the waif prepare potions. The waif tells her about Sweetsleep which they use for their patrons, and then describes the tears of Lys. Next, the waif says "This paste is spiced with basilisk blood. It will give cooked flesh a savory smell, but if eaten it produces violent madness in beasts as well as men. A mouse will attack a lion after a taste of basilisk blood."

Arya chewed her lip. "Would it work on dogs?"

"On any animal with warm blood." The waif slapped her.

She raised her hand to her cheek, more surprised than hurt. "Why did you do that?"

"It is Arya of House Stark who chews on her lip when ever she is thinking. Are you Arya of House Stark?"

Well, Arya was clearly thinking of poor old Weese and his dog, which is how Jaqen did him in. No warging, just a bit of savory basilisk blood.
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A-roc, Welcome! That was a very fine first offering here. Great research. Please feel free to clear up anymore questions or theories.... except mine, they are rock solid. It is known.
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What? What? What? You people are all... crazy. But crazy... like foxes.
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