2.12: The Walking Dead - Better Angels

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The funeral of Dale was the most touching one we had seen in the long run. He really meant a lot to the group, but also a lot to the viewers. And me personally, so it was good to see that they are taking care of those who has passed away and the graveyard has started to resemble a bit like a proper burial site. I don't think that they could had done a better job.



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Even then it doesn't mean that everything's all right in the kingdom, where Lori has taken Lady MacBeth's role. For I don't know and really cannot understand why, especially after Rick swore: "... from now on why do it Dale's way."

Cannot she let the bygones be bygones?



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Does it mean that the walkers aren't typical zombies, but ghouls, or does it Shane's rabid "turning" mean that they are all carriers?

[Connavar]

This ep showed perfectly what i feel about the writing of this show. Last weeks ep annnoyed me in how predictable it was, weak ep. This ep had some dialogue problems but it was a fine ending to Shane story.

I actually felt for the guy in how he was going nuts,the last scenes of him and Rick was very well done. Coming from a Shane is crazy predictable bad guy type fan earlier in the season it says something. I actually felt bad for the guy in some way. It was neat how both Rick and Carl killed him.

If it wasnt so up and down this series could be very enjoyable. Hope they start running and leave the cozy farm.

[Huttman]

I have always enjoyed the scene's between Shane and Carl, and I will miss those. They seem to have had a special connection and they always respected each other. It was really Shane who opened Rick's eyes when he handed him Daryl's handgun. BTW-everyone is a carrier, it's just that until this time we have never seen someone re-animate from any death other than a zombie attack.

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Originally Posted by Connavar

I actually felt for the guy in how he was going nuts,the last scenes of him and Rick was very well done. Coming from a Shane is crazy predictable bad guy type fan earlier in the season it says something. I actually felt bad for the guy in some way. It was neat how both Rick and Carl killed him.

Shane was going absolutely bonkers. No doubt about that. And I honestly believe he would had gone down the same route, if Rick would not had done him. He would had developed himself to be a rival to another "famous" antagonist, and just seeing him hovering gun over Randall's head made me think about Mr Hannibal Lecter. So there was no loss of love on seeing him go. It had to be done and I enjoyed seeing him going in the way they did it in the comics.

If it wasnt so up and down this series could be very enjoyable. Hope they start running and leave the cozy farm.

Watch the sneak peak on next episode, and you'll see that they have no other choice but pile in the bandwagon and hit the road with guns blazing.

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Originally Posted by Huttman

I have always enjoyed the scene's between Shane and Carl, and I will miss those. They seem to have had a special connection and they always respected each other.

Don't know about that as I was always thinking he's having some sort of ideas on turning the kid against his father. So to me, no matter how bonding they were, was wrong in all fronts. And the fact that Carl goes to confess to him instead of Rick says to me, that the kid was trying to find an angle to get out from the guilt he was feeling.

BTW-everyone is a carrier, it's just that until this time we have never seen someone re-animate from any death other than a zombie attack.

The incubation period isn't instant. It doesn't happen that way. None of them has had a fever or any other symptoms that would suggest that it is still the virus. And if it would had mutated I'd still believe that the victims would show some sings. Do you remember how long it took for Andrea's sister to wake up?

[Huttman]

Originally Posted by ctg

Don't know about that as I was always thinking he's having some sort of ideas on turning the kid against his father. So to me, no matter how bonding they were, was wrong in all fronts. And the fact that Carl goes to confess to him instead of Rick says to me, that the kid was trying to find an angle to get out from the guilt he was feeling.

It just felt honest to me. Perhaps Shane being the 'surrogate' father and a bit of a rebel, Carl went to him. Kids will do many things to avoid punishment or disappointing their parents. I made that comment because Shane's mannerisms did not seem to change with Carl after Rick was found except for an episode or two when he was trying to give him the brush off, probably for good reason in his eyes. Also, I have to believe that Shane had decent qualities in him and tried to balance those the best he could. Either way, Carl didn't seem to hesitate too long before putting a bullet between his eyes.

Originally Posted by ctg

The incubation period isn't instant. It doesn't happen that way. None of them has had a fever or any other symptoms that would suggest that it is still the virus. And if it would had mutated I'd still believe that the victims would show some sings. Do you remember how long it took for Andrea's sister to wake up?

Was that a question? I remember it being minutes or near an hour or so. Unless you have insight from the comic books that give a better description of what causes this, it seems like a virus to me that everyone has. With some diseases, some people are the carrier with no effects and some people suffer from the disease when they catch it. With this particular 'disease', everyone is the carrier and death is the trigger that activates it. Perhaps it was another one of mankind's better living through chemistry breakthroughs that completely back fired...again, and it is an air born pathogen.

(probably something intentionally released in the air to help get rid of pollution by those airplanes that leave contrails everywhere)

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Originally Posted by Huttman

It just felt honest to me. Perhaps Shane being the 'surrogate' father and a bit of a rebel, Carl went to him. Kids will do many things to avoid punishment or disappointing their parents.

They do. They absolutely do all sort of things that are so wrong in so many levels. And you cannot condemn them for being like that as it's all about the growing process.

I made that comment because Shane's mannerisms did not seem to change with Carl after Rick was found except for an episode or two when he was trying to give him the brush off, probably for good reason in his eyes. Also, I have to believe that Shane had decent qualities in him and tried to balance those the best he could. Either way, Carl didn't seem to hesitate too long before putting a bullet between his eyes.

Please, forgive me for offending you. Didn't mean to. Sorry.

I wanted to believe that at somewhere Shane had a heart. No matter how twisted and black, but a heart that was capable for love and companionship. And in some way I see him falling in Lori's web of manipulation.

I believe that would he had been alone or in some other group, things could had gone very differently. But we saw how things started rolling, the love blinded him, friendship to Rick crushed him and he didn't leave, when he had a chance. So Lori coming to say "sorry" in her way just drove him mental and made him to plan the murder.

In my eyes that doesn't make me want to send my kids - not that I have any - or Carl to find answers from him. Even then, what other choices Carl had? None. So you're right. He was as good as any other man.

Was that a question? I remember it being minutes or near an hour or so. Unless you have insight from the comic books that give a better description of what causes this, it seems like a virus to me that everyone has.

Andrea's sister died in the middle of the night and she "woke" up at the middle of the morning. Sun was up in the sky and there was plenty of light around. So I would had said that she died around 2 am and woke at 10 am.

That would make it around eight hours. But with Shane, it was less than three minutes. We don't know how long it took from Randall to turn.

With some diseases, some people are the carrier with no effects and some people suffer from the disease when they catch it. With this particular 'disease', everyone is the carrier and death is the trigger that activates it. Perhaps it was another one of mankind's better living through chemistry breakthroughs that completely back fired...again, and it is an air born pathogen.

(probably something intentionally released in the air to help get rid of pollution by those airplanes that leave contrails everywhere)

Funny that you bring up chem-trails. It makes me grin like Cheshire cat.

Nice one.

[Huttman]

Originally Posted by ctg

Please, forgive me for offending you. Didn't mean to. Sorry.

Oh, no apology necessary, ctg, as there was no offense taken at all.

[thaddeus6th]

I really enjoyed this episode. Nice to see Shane's descent into madness, although I thought Lori suddenly being nice and apologetic to him after all that's happened a bit unrealistic.

The death of Shane was nicely handled, and I'm quite glad the series isn't afraid to knock off main characters. Hope Daryl survives, though.

[rune]

I did enjoy this episode. It was a nice funeral for Dale, he will be missed, I liked his steady attitude.
I must be honest, I am relieved that Shane has finally been dealt with. He wasnt a nice character and Im hoping the group will be tighter now he's gone. I was well done at the end.

[allmywires]

I've always loved Shane, even when he went extra-mental this season, but it was a good way to go - Rick finally having the balls to do the right thing, when he absolutely should have killed Randall last ep (that he didn't pissed me right off).

Agree it was cool that both Rick and Carl got to 'kill' Shane but bloody hell, what a shot from a kid who couldn't even bring himself to kill a trapped walker last week!

RE: turning into a walker, I've always thought it weird that they don't care about getting infected walker blood on them - perhaps that's something to do with it? When Shane and Rick took Randall to that place the other week, Shane had a cut on his hand and I assume he could've got some walker blood on it.

Also lastly, I couldn't stand Dale, thank god he's gone, though his funeral was nice and that scene with Glen and Andrea was lovely.

Not a nice way to die though, I'll concede.

[FireDragon-16]

Originally Posted by allmywires

RE: turning into a walker, I've always thought it weird that they don't care about getting infected walker blood on them - perhaps that's something to do with it? When Shane and Rick took Randall to that place the other week, Shane had a cut on his hand and I assume he could've got some walker blood on it.

They've always taken care to make sure they didn't get any blood into any opening (i.e., mouth, eyes, etc...) because that's how it can get mixed in the body, but otherwise (aside from being kind of disgusting) it doesn't seem to do too much harm to the body. Although, whenever they are purposely putting it on, they use as much layering as they can...

[allmywires]

Originally Posted by FireDragon-16

They've always taken care to make sure they didn't get any blood into any opening (i.e., mouth, eyes, etc...) because that's how it can get mixed in the body, but otherwise (aside from being kind of disgusting) it doesn't seem to do too much harm to the body. Although, whenever they are purposely putting it on, they use as much layering as they can...

True, I seem to remember it from season 1 (vaguely) but it did jar with me in some recent episodes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Unless anyone's read the comics and it's explained there?

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Originally Posted by allmywires

True, I seem to remember it from season 1 (vaguely) but it did jar with me in some recent episodes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Unless anyone's read the comics and it's explained there?

That would be spoilers.

[allmywires]

Originally Posted by ctg

That would be spoilers.

Ah, fair enough.

Might look it up for my own curiosity though.