A thought about Game of Thrones on TV

[Needle]

Originally Posted by The Imp

The problem they have now though is, how do you tell about the ToJ now with Ned dead?

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Exactly! This was my original question. It is perfectly fine for someone else to go off with Bran, BUT :

I think most of us agree that Jon is not Ned's son. Whether his father is Aery's or Rheagar is up for grabs at this point but either way TOJ must be told.

As Ursa said this whole part of the story may be held and told all at once, but that still leaves the question of by whom? Ned and everyone else who was there is dead except for Howland, so how do they tell the story without him even if he, himself, is not necessary to the story?

[Culhwch]

It'll work out fine, because Ned is Jon's father. Done, solved, end of discussion. I've stuck by that belief for a decade now, and I won't be moved...

[mtzGr]

Originally Posted by Culhwch

It'll work out fine, because Ned is Jon's father. Done, solved, end of discussion. I've stuck by that belief for a decade now, and I won't be moved...

I have always held this belief as well.

[southron sword]

I'm assuming if people are reading this thread by this author they know whats coming, but if not...... meh

Will we see Rhaegar in the house of the undying? Im gussing not, but..... to me that chapter was pretty important.

And also, for people who buy the dvd's, there are backstories and histories available so non readers have an idea of what happened before GOT and who was involved.

[juleska]

Originally Posted by southron sword

I'm assuming if people are reading this thread by this author they know whats coming, but if not...... meh

Will we see Rhaegar in the house of the undying? Im gussing not, but..... to me that chapter was pretty important.

And also, for people who buy the dvd's, there are backstories and histories available so non readers have an idea of what happened before GOT and who was involved.

I just re-read that portion recently to try and review the exact details of what Dany saw for clues about Jon, but there were fewer clues about Jon than I remembered (although a HUGE tip-off about the pending Red Wedding). I'll agree that chapter is really important, and I do think we'll see Rhaegar. I believe he is the first person in the series to say anything about "The Prince That Was Promised" and "A Song of Ice and Fire". If any character uses those terms before Rhaegar in the House of the Undying, I don't remember it.

[firstfist]

Yes, Howland Reed was the other survivor and hence should be in the show, but as the show has been taking a bit more of it's own form, especially in the last few episodes, anyone still alive in the TV series could end up being the other survivor. That is assuming they are even planning on presenting the TOJ at all.
Maybe the producers have decided to cut out details that happen because of TOJ. Maybe it doesn't have the significance, even to Martin, that we think it does.

[svalbard]

Originally Posted by firstfist

Yes, Howland Reed was the other survivor and hence should be in the show, but as the show has been taking a bit more of it's own form, especially in the last few episodes, anyone still alive in the TV series could end up being the other survivor. That is assuming they are even planning on presenting the TOJ at all.
Maybe the producers have decided to cut out details that happen because of TOJ. Maybe it doesn't have the significance, even to Martin, that we think it does.

Good point. Maybe as TV series continues it will put to bed a lot of theories doing the rounds. Martín does have a say what goes into the TV series. Maybe the TOJ scene is just a wonderfully evocative piece of writing with nothing else behind it. Hence it getting cut.

[The Imp]

Originally Posted by svalbard

Good point. Maybe as TV series continues it will put to bed a lot of theories doing the rounds. Martín does have a say what goes into the TV series. Maybe the TOJ scene is just a wonderfully evocative piece of writing with nothing else behind it. Hence it getting cut.

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do. Go to about the 12 minute and 32 minute points of the Google interview, linked below. He clearly says that they can have aliens land and take over and there's nothing he could do about it, and that he has no control over what they do, other than the one episode he writes per season. He's a consultant, and they don't have to listen to him.

With all due respect, I don't believe for a second that the ToJ was thrown in just for the hell of it. My insanely crackpot theory of Ned still being alive has a MUCH greater chance of being true than the ToJ just being put in for filler or to be evocative. GRRM is meticulous in the detail he puts in, and leaves breadcrumbs, foreshadowings, prohpecies, dreams, etc. scattered all over the books. He enjoys creating the puzzles, and the ToJ of part of the R+L=J puzzle, or part of another with a different equation. Here's that link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTW8M_etko

[mtzGr]

Originally Posted by The Imp

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do. Go to about the 12 minute and 32 minute points of the Google interview, linked below. He clearly says that they can have aliens land and take over and there's nothing he could do about it, and that he has no control over what they do, other than the one episode he writes per season. He's a consultant, and they don't have to listen to him.

Sounds like an interesting avenue to explore.

If you had complete creative control over the story line of the show (past, present, future), where would you take it?

[southron sword]

Originally Posted by The Imp

GRRM actually has very little say as to what David and Dan do.

Obviously, judging by this latest episode.....

[Needle]

SPOILERS!!!











With SS on this one!

They seem to be getting further and further from the truth, and for no obvious reason. Up to know the things they changed or compacted were mostly okay and effected the story very little.

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

[firstfist]

Originally Posted by The Imp

With all due respect, I don't believe for a second that the ToJ was thrown in just for the hell of it.

I really don't either.

[mtzGr]

Originally Posted by Needle

They seem to be getting further and further from the truth, and for no obvious reason. Up to know the things they changed or compacted were mostly okay and effected the story very little.

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

I pretty much agree with you on all counts. I'm wondering how Jon's story will play out, but I like Ygritte's character and I think the two will be entertaining together.

Dany's character/story has been a let down this season; some of it due to the writing, some due to the actress. I dreaded having to read another Dany chapter in ADWD, and I'm afraid that is how I am starting to feel about the show.

I really thought they did Theon's scene well; you really saw how hard it was for him having to choose sides and betray the friends he grew up with, and after killing Rodrik (sp?) how his soul really was lost.

Arya and Tywin's scenes have been so entertaining, probably the best acting this season.

[Needle]

I really thought they did Theon's scene well; you really saw how hard it was for him having to choose sides and betray the friends he grew up with, and after killing Rodrik (sp?) how his soul really was lost.

I agree. forgot to mention him. Hate him and feel sorry for him all at once.

[Keebs411]

Originally Posted by Needle

Now however, first they have Jon ask to go ranging, then he captures Ygritte, doesn't kill her but then chases her down? his fellow rangers desert him? As it stands now, if he kills Qhorin, he really has turned his cloak.

STOLEN DRAGONS WTF? Long, frankly boring scene of Dany begging then coming back to stolen dragons? Sorry don't get it. We could have (should have) skipped this begging and gone on to the begging of the Undying!

Good points:

Arya, as usual! Not sure what the Lorch thing was all about, but love, love her and Tywin together! They are both brilliant IMHO!

Finally! Some interaction between Sansa and the Hound! When he tells Tyrion he didn't do it for him even my non-reader viewing partners were like "I think he likes that little bird!"

Best for last, Tyrion! "We have had vicious kings and idiotic kings but I don't think we've ever had a vicious idiot before!" LOVE HIM! Bring on more Emmy's say I!

i loved the introduction of Ygritte, and i found it funny how annoyed he kept getting when she kept wiggling around to taunt him being she knows about the vows crows make lol. how ever i agree the part of his fellow crows abandoning him was off. Im going to wait till next wk before i decide if they played around with that plot line to much

the suspense with Arya Tywin and Little Finger was great!! although off with the Lorch thing i found it amusing, a nice touch of comic relief.

Sansa the hound and Tyrion, could not have made the mob attack story line play out any better!!!

now on to the stolen dragons...... THE ONLY THING I SEMI LIKED ABOUT THAT, is as a reader i already basically know what to expect and so with the show springing this change on me leaves me in the dark and suspense of "who took them? and how will she get them back?". I enjoy the merchant that taunts her and i think its because this season i find Dany annoying as well. She has quite the temper and is just constantly saying who she is and how she will take things with fire and blood, its becoming very repetitive. Xaro Xhoan Daxos (which its funny cause on the show it sounds like they keep calling him duck sauce) put it best when he says she cant just expect things to be handed to her or gained by sheer honor loyalty ectthat she needs to get her hands a lil dirty (similar to how sansa is told life is not like her beloved fairy tales and songs)

Spoiler alert for thos who have not read and only watch!!!!










How ever my guess is that the warlock Pyat Pree himself or some one else working for the undying took the dragons and thats how she will end up @ the house of the undying. Quaith will show up to tell her or Jorah. There she will go in, do her thing, see her visions and @ the end come across her dragons who will join back to her and burn the place down!! how ever this is not what im all jazzed up to see next wk im deff more excited to see the other story lines unfold further instead lol