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Old 17th May 2011, 06:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

The purpose of this thread is to talk specifically about those things that the series has confirmed or out right told us that the books didn't.

Renly and Loras is a mild example of this, but I assume there will be others so finding them in random episode discussions or their own threads just seems less organized to me.

I may be wrong but I don't remember Ned telling Robert that Whila (SP?) was Jon's mother in the AGOT

I am also pretty sure that we didn't know the two that Aria over heard talking were Ilerio and Varys. Pretty sure I only knew that because of this forum

I admit I'm not the best at finding these instances but I felt that a thread to organize and discuss them is in order.. If it doesn't work out, hey at least gave thread-starting a try
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Old 17th May 2011, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

Well, the descriptions of Illyrio and Varys in the dungeons left very little doubt who they were.

I do believe that Wylla's name was mentionned at least once. Will need to look it up.
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Good thread idea

Wylla had been mentioned

GRRM confirmed quite a while back that the men Arya overhears are, in fact, Illyrio and Varys. The voices that Dotirce used in the audiobook were that of those two as well, I assum,e at the direction of GRRm, or someone speaking for him.

We are certainly finding things out earlier. Sam's back story. Renly/Loras. The fact that the Others "raise the dead", clues that i won't say becuase the thing they reveal hasn't been revealed in the show yet.
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Old 17th May 2011, 10:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

In the book, Ned doesn't say to Robert, "Wylla is Jon's mother." The conversation is more natural and it's strongly implied that Wylla is Jon's mother. It's a "fact" that Robert already knows so there's no need for Ned to tell him again. It's just two bros reminiscing about the past. The conversation went something like this:

Robert: Remember all the chicks we banged while out on campaign?
Ned: You did all the banging, Your Majesty.
Robert: Well, there was that ONE girl you bagged. What was her name again?
Ned: Wylla.
Robert: Ah yes, she must have been a real 10 to make you forget your honor for once.

The implication here is that Ned only strayed from Cat once, came back to Winterfell with a kid, so therefore Wylla is Jon's mother.
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

Do you suppose the whole "someone wants fresh cadavers" thing is going to end up being a lead in to the Frankenstein's monster experiments?
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Do you suppose the whole "someone wants fresh cadavers" thing is going to end up being a lead in to the Frankenstein's monster experiments?

Yeah what the hell was that a reference too?
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Oooh clever Eulalia!

I was a bit disgusted by that part of the discussion, but I'm certain that it's been mentioned for a reason.
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Again, when watching I often say to may self "was that told us in the book" (thinking fact wise) and I'd like a thread to go to, to see what you experts think
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

This may or may not count, but having Tyrion brought to life onscreen has totally changed my opinion of his ultimate purpose in this series. I know it's a popular theory that Tyrion will become one of "heads of the dragon" and I kinda bought into that theory. But after seeing Tyrion in this series, I just don't see him riding a dragon or leading an army in that way. Am I just being discriminatory because now I'm actually seeing a little person instead of just having him exist in mind? He just doesn't seem.....powerful? I don't know that that's the right word but it's my feeling that Tyrion won't be riding dragons with Dany after seeing the TV series.
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I actually see Tyrion as the opposite. Before, I didn't think all that much about the saddle that he designed for Bran and himself. Now I can see him designing special contraptions to ride dragons with.
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I can't see anyone riding dragons! Seems too fantastical for this gritty, realistic series...

But I suppose there's a good chance it will happen.
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Lol. Good point, HJ.

Another thing that the series lets us know, that the books don't, is that Littlefinger knows about Vary's meeting with Illyrio. The only hint in the books, that I can recall, was something Littlefinger said about having Varys by the balls, and he may have said that before Varys met with Illyrio. There may have been other references to this in the books, but I can't remember them if there are.
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

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Do you suppose the whole "someone wants fresh cadavers" thing is going to end up being a lead in to the Frankenstein's monster experiments?
I wondered who this lord might be. I thought Gregor initially.
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Re: Things that the Series tells us that the books didn't

Wait until we meet Qyburn in AFFC (if the series makes it that far).
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Wait until we meet Qyburn in AFFC (if the series makes it that far).
I'm not sure that Qyburn was whom Littlefinger was referring to when he said that. My feeling was that the person who wanted the dead bodies wanted them for the purpose of necrophelia rather than necromancy. It's not even clear that Qyburn is near enough to take advantage of Littlefingers services
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