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View Poll Results: Did you know before the latest episode??
I hadnt a clue. 6 16.22%
I caught the subtle references in the books. 31 83.78%
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Old 17th May 2011, 02:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

Seems to be about half and half in my opinion. I hadnt a clue what private prayer meetings were all about, guess I'm glad to not be religous.
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Old 17th May 2011, 02:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

1) This thread should be a poll.
2) I did.
3) ????
4) Profit.

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Old 17th May 2011, 02:04 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

I picked it up, took me a while though.

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Seems to be about half and half in my opinion. I hadnt a clue what private prayer meetings were all about, guess I'm glad to not be religous.
Is it really that abhorrent?
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Old 17th May 2011, 02:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Is it really that abhorrent?
No, not at all. I was just surprised when it was on the telly. I thought the writers changed something.I'm as liberal as they come.
Just going for some humour is all.
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Old 17th May 2011, 02:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

Faaaaiiiir enough! The show definitely opted for a less subtle approach than the books. For me I think it would have been enough to see their little glances at the tournament, but then I guess we wouldn't have gotten the little backstory about Renly's popularity and the power of House Tyrell.
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

We've seen a lot of inventive ways of having the characters dialogue to reveal backstory. In my sheltered life, I must confess, that I've never, in my wildest dreams, ever imagined male on male body shaving.
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Old 17th May 2011, 03:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

In my life, I was never really sheltered but rather left out in the rain...
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

Conor

I guess it wasn't totally common knowledge that Renly and Loras were/are an item, but I suspect that the poll will show at least 80% did. At least on this board
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Old 17th May 2011, 04:08 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Faaaaiiiir enough! The show definitely opted for a less subtle approach than the books. For me I think it would have been enough to see their little glances at the tournament, but then I guess we wouldn't have gotten the little backstory about Renly's popularity and the power of House Tyrell.
Good points, I was just wondering prior to the scene, if the new viewers would know who Loras was and where he was from.

It does make sense that his marriage to Loras sister was never consumated and Renly most likely left Kings Landing with Loras when the S hit the fan.

Imp, I take my hat off to you guys.Looks like I may be in the minority.
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

Out of curiosity, what then did you think was the motivation for [SPOILERS] Loras's rampage following Renly's death?
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Old 17th May 2011, 05:22 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

I also didn't pick up on it in the books. I found out in discussions in this board.

I do think it's kind of funny in retrospect, what with the rainbow guard and all, that I didn't pick it up.

As for your question Cul: I assumed it was because they were great friends and Loras was Renly's brother-in-law.
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We've seen a lot of inventive ways of having the characters dialogue to reveal backstory. In my sheltered life, I must confess, that I've never, in my wildest dreams, ever imagined male on male body shaving.
Apparently backstory is best revealed when at least one character is naked, and as either a precusor or follow-up to sexings. Probably the most genius way of spicing up infodumps I've come across.
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Old 17th May 2011, 06:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Out of curiosity, what then did you think was the motivation for [SPOILERS] Loras's rampage following Renly's death?
Boy, I'm feeling rather naive, I figured Loras was just very loyal to Renly the way Ned may have gone on a rampage if Robert had been murdered back in the day.
Now, being reminded of the Rainbow Gueard and remembering how Brienne loved Renly so...how could I have not known??
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

There should be an option for 'knew before the series, but didn't have a clue when reading the books' and that would be me.

We're just too innocent, me and you, Conor.

As for Loras's rampage... I don't actually remember it. But at the time of reading I'm sure I thought same as HJ and Conor. They were good friends: Who isn't grief stricken when a friend dies?
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Re: Ok so who knew about Loras and Renly before the series?

Me, I'm just weird.

I never really take things there like that when I'm reading (when it's done subtle like, if there's a few pages of graphic description or some one actually says it outright I might just get an inkling.) but I absorb everything, it's all there so when the penny does drop I'm not shocked, surprised, I just carry on with an of course they are.

In this case when we had all the little glances at the tournament I just accepted it, and Mrs P. asked me about it, I just said yes, because I just knew...

Of course a few minutes later I was able to say "I think that answers your question..."
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