2012 Prophecy

[TheEndIsNigh]

Just throwing in a thing or two about the close fitting rock.

There was an television (Horizon I think) program on them a few years back.

First, I believe it said that rocks only fit closely on the 'dressed' surface.

Second, they reproduced the effect in a very short time by just bashing the surface of one rock with a piece of granite until it allowed the close fitting of another. Then polished with a similar rock to get it smooth.

I think the program pointed out that although the rock is hard, it is very brittle. Just like diamond. Hit it right, and it breaks. So the process is very similar (and probably where the skill came from) to making arrow heads from flint.

If we think about it, if there was anything special or alien about the rocks, why wouldn't they be regular in size.

Why would aliens mess about building a protection against the local peasants in the first place. Not to mention why they wouldn't use modern building techniques say concrete or stainless steel. They travel millions of light years and populate half the galaxy using only a hammer and chisel?

I'm sure when we move to the stars 'the masons' will be the driving force too.

[RJM Corbet]

Originally Posted by J Riff

Neat stuff.
Well, looks like they built those stone fortresses for protection and nothing else.
Dang, turns out there was an Alien flying around since biblical times.
Drat, there were giant people, too.
I remember the reason for all this now, the coverup... and have changed my tune.
Humans still come off looking good, they built all that stuff, but the Earth is not the issue, it's whether Mars becomes public or not.
If it doesn't, fine, longs I get paid. )

C'mon, Riff? Out with it ...

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TheEndIsNigh

I'm sure when we move to the stars 'the masons' will be the driving force too.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/

[RJM Corbet]

This 15 minute video, which explains the Inca stone cutting, as done with ropes, is convincing and logical and involves no aliens, lasers, conspiracy, or pre-civilization. The Puma punku stonework though, more difficult to explain than what is shown here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG5UR...yer_detailpage

It's part 7 in a series of 9 videos. What's truly surprising is that so few people have watched it. Only 318 views, all over the world, compared to 50 thousand or more for many You Tube videos. So, you got it here first ...

[Vertigo]

Well I wouldn't say far more advanced but it was probably superior in some ways. The inca were pretty good at flat surfaces and right angles and such like as well. However it is not too surprising; they were a different culture with relatively little contact prior to the Inca conquest. Their techniques would have been different and so their results different. There is still nothing at the PUma Punku site that cannot be as easily explained as the work of those people around 500AD.

Ultimately with all of these things I'm afraid I fall back on Occam's Razor.

We appear to have three theories:

1. The established community of scientists are more or less correct (no one can ever get history perfect). There are a number of things they don't yet understand and may never do. However this theory believes that lost techniques were used to build the structures in question at (at least approximately) the proposed dates.

2. The established community of scientist have got it all wrong (or are covering it all up) and aliens helped these stone structures, using none of the modern materials that they must have had to be able to come here in the first place and leaving no advanced construction tools for anyone to find later (not even a single dropped screwdriver or diamond cutting blade).

3. The established community of scientist have got it all wrong (or are covering it all up) and there was an advanced early civilisation around 10,000 to 15,000 BC that left no trace at all of their existence except a handful of slightly mysterious monuments that provide no concrete evidence for such an early date; no advanced tools, no boats, nothing else.

When I apply that razor I'm afraid all I'm left with is option 1.

By the way re that last video; I suspect it hasn't had a large number of views because is it simply too mundane (a good thing), it is a simple practical explanation of how the work might have been achieved. Without any sensationalism (undiscovered ancient civilisation, aliens, whatever) it simply will not generated the same level of interest (which is also probably a good thing )

[RJM Corbet]

Yep. If you take time to watch the whole series of videos he explains it step by step, the ropes, etc. I'm satisfied with it. All these scientists baffled, and this guy solves it in his garage at home, and so far only 300 people know about it. The pumu punku stuff is very different though, the same explanation could not be applied?

[Vertigo]

No I suspect not; I don't think those blocks at Puma Punku could have been cut so regularly in place as the Inca ones are likely to have been. Also not all Inca masonry was built in the way desribed in the videos. They also did some construction with flat faced blocks that would likely have used similar techniques to Puma Punku.

Here are a couple of photos I took at Machu Picchu showing some examples. Although the front of the blocks have not been finished smooth, that may have been an aesthetic thing, the Incas generally seemed to leave the faces of their blocks rough although clearly, looking at the joins between these regular shaped blocks, they were fully capable of creating a flat smooth finish. There is also a third shot (actually appears to be the first the way the attachments have been done) that shows both "styles" with the top blocks appearing to have very much the same regular shaping as those at Puma Punku:

Sorry about the photo quality these are scans made from trannies back in 2001 and the technology was not quite as good back then

[RJM Corbet]

Nothing wrong with those photos. I like transparencies. Lovely shots ...

[Vertigo]

Why thank you ! I seem to recall the tranny scanner I had back then was something like 400dpi (which doesn't come to an awful lot of pixels on a 35mm negative. I now have a 4000dpi scanner and I keep meaning to go back and re-scan a lot of my old trannies but never seem to get around to it (it is a tedious task to say the least!).

[J Riff]

The answer is going to be tragically simple of course, like primitive people were.
You've seen stones cut through by water, laying on the ground in intricate patterns. There's tons like that on Mars, too.
So they picked them up off the ground (Giants!) and stood them up into a fortress, protection from the elements, wild animals, other people and aliens. They fit perfectly like a jigsaw puzzle because that's what they looked like before they stood them up.
Apparently the alien ship had trouble lifting stones above a certain weight, so whoever thought it up probably saved us all from extinction.
No, really.
2012 - April 21st or earlier.

[Ursa major]

To save a lot of time, I think I ought to post what J Riff's explanation will eventually morph into (due to accumulating misunderstandings as it is passed between the more credulous visitors to the Web): "They used rock brought all the way from Mars."

[Anthony G Williams]

Originally Posted by Ursa major

To save a lot of time, I think I ought to post what J Riff's explanation will eventually morph into (due to accumulating misunderstandings as it is passed between the more credulous visitors to the Web): "They used rock brought all the way from Mars."

Naturally. The stuff is so rare here on Earth, after all...

[Dave]

Yes it was all done with "Heat Rays" and if you look carefully you can the marks left by "Red Weed"!

[Anthony G Williams]

Originally Posted by Dave

Yes it was all done with "Heat Rays" and if you look carefully you can the marks left by "Red Weed"!

Is that a particularly potent form of cannabis? Enquiring minds want to know...

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Anthony G Williams

Is that a particularly potent form of cannabis? Enquiring minds want to know...

Really Anthony, I can't believe you're asking me that. Red Weed is what makes Mars that dull red colour. It is the only Martian plant species that adapts to grow on Earth and it competes against our native Earth species.