In Search of UFOs

[paranoid marvin]

My opinion? The governments are as baffled as we are. Strange objects in the sky? Some are obviously experimental aircraft/technology we're not meant to know about, some are cases of mistaken identity , but quite possibly many are extra-terrestrial in nature. I would guess that there have been the odd incidents of these craft being taken out accidentally or purposefully and the remains whisked away for closer inspection , but I doubt that much of use has been learnt. Even if they hadn't come out and told us , we would have seen significant 'scientific break-throughs' in space travel ; if anything in the last couple of decades we've moved backwards in that respect.

[Starbeast]

Originally Posted by J Riff

I believe over Chicago, and I talked to radar dude after... he said they don't know what they are -

[Dave]

Re: The Russian probe mentioned by Metryq: Lex Parsimoniae tells me that that is undoubtedly the even more obvious answer, but how is it that that has been so unreported? Buzz Aldrin would surely be aware of that?

[Starbeast]

Originally Posted by Dave

Re: The Russian probe mentioned by Metryq: Lex Parsimoniae tells me that that is undoubtedly the even more obvious answer, but how is it that that has been so unreported? Buzz Aldrin would surely be aware of that?

True, the U.S. kept a close eye on Russia, just as Russia kept a close eye on the U.S.

[RJM Corbet]

Originally Posted by Starbeast

Some people like to remain an enigma, especially when we know the U.S. government is trying to watch everything we do. When I talk about aliens from elsewhere and related stuff, I'm carefull about what I say.

I like your Spock avatars.

Thanks, so do I.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZXn...yer_detailpage

I found the above video link by one of those coincidences that make you think: not coincidence ...

The link is PROOF that the Mexican Air Force tape you posted earlier in this thread, really WAS taken by the Mexican Air Force and so is definitely not a fake, ok?

[Metryq]

Originally Posted by Dave

Buzz Aldrin would surely be aware of that?

One would think Aldrin would remember Lunik 15, but don't make an appeal to authority. All too often "experts" can be duped, especially by deliberate hoaxes (even though Lunik 15 was not one). We're all human.

Also, none of these sightings occur in a vacuum, if you'll pardon the pun. NASA does not control all of space, or know everything that is going on in high altitude flight. Keep in mind that NASA is a civilian organization as you read this excerpt from Area 51: An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base

In the mid-1960s, sightings of unidentified flying objects around Area 51 reached unprecedented heights as the A-12 Oxcart flying from Groom Lake was repeatedly mistaken for a UFO. Not since the U-2 had been flying from there were so many UFO reports being dumped on CIA analysts’ desks. The first instance happened only four days after Oxcart’s first official flight, on April 30, 1962. It was a little before 10:00 a.m., and a NASA X-15 rocket plane was making a test flight in the air corridor that ran from Dryden Flight Research Center, in California, to Ely, Nevada, during the same period of time when an A-12 was making a test flight in the vicinity at a different altitude. From inside the X-15 rocket plane, test pilot Joe Walker snapped photographs, a task that was part of his mission flight. The X-15 was not a classified program and NASA often released publicity photographs taken during flights, as they did with Walker’s photographs that day. But NASA had not scrutinized the photos closely before their public release, and officials missed the fact that a tiny “UFO” appeared in the corner of one of Walker’s pictures. In reality, it was the Oxcart, but the press identified it as a UFO. A popular theory among ufologists about why aliens would want to visit Earth in the first place has to do with Earthlings’ sudden advance of technologies beginning with the atomic bomb. For this group, it follows that the X-15—the first manned vehicle to get to the edge of space (the highest X-15 flight was 354,200 feet—almost 67 miles above sea level) would be particularly interesting to beings from outer space.

The "Oxcart" program was later known as the SR-71 "Blackbird," a plane with specifications that would have astounded even professional test pilots at the time. But Oxcart was a "black" project, meaning no one without the requisite "need to know" was aware of it—not Congress, not four-star generals, and there are even black projects the President himself may not know about. Perhaps one of the triangular shapes seen in the NASA montage video above was the "non-existent" Aurora spy plane?

[Starbeast]

Originally Posted by RJM Corbet

The link is PROOF that the Mexican Air Force tape you posted earlier in this thread, really WAS taken by the Mexican Air Force and so is definitely not a fake, ok?

Cool, thanks for looking into it too. It's good to be skeptical, especially now-a-days with so many people using image creating programs on their computers.

I remember quite well when I saw the entire footage years ago, it was a bit spooky at one point when they were trying to keep up with the strange lights, when suddenly one of the lights broke formation and moved toward the pursuers in a threatening manner, as if to say..."Keep Back!" I noticed that particular segment of the film is usually omitted from the footage when shown on tv.

[J Riff]

Time travel is a weird one. What if an alien race captured some virtual reality, thousands of years ago, then put you into it, as if you were living it. Did you just time travel?
Anyway. I like the hunk of stuff, about twenty feet around, that they found floating or beached, that stayed alive for two years. How can stories like that just disappear?

[Starbeast]

J Riff: "Time travel is a weird one. What if an alien race captured some virtual reality, thousands of years ago, then put you into it, as if you were living it. Did you just time travel?"

Aliens could be from other time periods or dimensons, I don't know, they're so mysterious and don't want to make contact yet.

"Anyway. I like the hunk of stuff, about twenty feet around, that they found floating or beached, that stayed alive for two years. How can stories like that just disappear?"

This would be a good thread for you to create J Riff, strange unknown creatures. I'm only aware of a few of these messy blob-like discoveries from the early 1900's, the photos and news clippings are freaky. A couple of them could be identified as decomposing giant squid or octopus.

[J Riff]

I love books about them, but have never seen any mythical beasts.
I like all animals, I remember seeing a snake ball, thousands of garter snakes boiling out into a gravel pit, a huge ball of snakes waking from hibernation, and that was pretty special.