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telford · 17th January 2011, 03:46 AM

Hey Riff, not quite sure what you are getting at. Stop being so subtle. Ha, ha! And on the subject of mindless blah blah, let's not forget the overblown mess that was The Chronicles of Riddick. After Pitch Black, what a bitter disappointment. See Riff, that's how it's done. T.

J Riff · 17th January 2011, 04:34 AM

Heh. Riddick...was an overblown mess.. It was just on TV- He's on the fire planet..there's Necromongers everywhere.. he beats up on everyone, he swings through the fire and saves everyone... he ends up ruling the galaxy-spanning Necro-galaxy... awful rubbish, I've only seen it four times..

J Riff · 17th January 2011, 07:06 AM

Oh No! Pitch Black is on right now and because of your comment I have to watch it!... bloody omniscient Aussies... don't you have a flood to clean up after Telford, or did it miss you?

telford · 17th January 2011, 07:13 AM

Hey Riff, what is an old fellar like you doing up at this time? I'm on the other side of the country so no floods here. Just a few major bushfires. Enjoy Pitch Black.

J Riff · 17th January 2011, 07:23 AM

It's 11:20 here in Canuckada west coast. I am a night-monster so late strats at 4 a.m.
I've seen it..it's near the end where the flying things attack...phooie. What else is on? Murderball,Psychic Investigators, MASH,BBC world News, Must love dogs,Hero at large...I girl 5 gays!?
.... Crusoe, Frasier,Supernanny,Prank Patrol,House, Cracking antiques,Out There, no wonder I read books.

Dave · 17th January 2011, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forve

...though I am not that pessimistic about this, after all last couple of years we had District 9, Moon, Watchmen....

District 9 - Johannesburg, South Africa & New Zealand
Moon - Shepperton, England
Watchmen -Vancouver, Canada

Thankfully, Hollywood didn't have a lot to do with these.

Forve · 19th January 2011, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

District 9 - Johannesburg, South Africa & New Zealand
Moon - Shepperton, England
Watchmen -Vancouver, Canada

Thankfully, Hollywood didn't have a lot to do with these.

not really
District 9
Country: USA | New Zealand | Canada | South Africa
Watchmen
Country: USA

probably only moon can be put aside as non-Holywood movie (due to the financial constrains), but than again, Kevin Spacey, Sam Rockwell and etc..

Watchmen and District 9 are 100% Holywood movies. Places u have written there are just shooting locations. U r not suggesting that holywood movie means movie shot in holywood?

J Riff · 19th January 2011, 06:04 AM

H-Wood goes wherever the best tax breaks are.
Last time I was there, the boulevard was torn up, for Hancock.
Will Smith ran through and every went oohOahh. Then the movie came out and they went yechEch! That one could have been good, I thought.
Incidentally, the Hollywood sign is now protected by motion-detectors and surveillance cams, there were too many people wanting to bring it down so they fortified it.
Bring on the Battle of LA!

Dave · 19th January 2011, 09:39 AM

Well, it was a flippant remark, and the money did come from Hollywood, but I think that the fact the location filming was outside of LA also gives them a little more leeway to experiment, and not kow tow down to studio executives. They used non-Hollywood-based actors and foreign crews. Sharlto Copley may have been in The A-Team but he is a British based South African. You mention, Kevin Spacey, even he seems to spend most of his time in London running the Old Vic theatre rather than his native California. The reason for filming in Ireland, Prague and elsewhere, is that they are/were cheaper, obviously, but it does make those films different from the usual Hollywood packaged product.

Forve · 19th January 2011, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

The reason for filming in Ireland, Prague and elsewhere, is that they are/were cheaper, obviously, but it does make those films different from the usual Hollywood packaged product.

Agreed.

JunkMonkey · 19th January 2011, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

The reason for filming in Ireland, Prague and elsewhere, is that they are/were cheaper, obviously, but it does make those films different from the usual Hollywood packaged product.

It's still a resentment where I live (Scotland) that the Braveheart production company suddenly decamped to Ireland to shoot the battle sequences when the Irish undercut the locals.

But then, most things become a festering resentment in Scotland, hate the English? around here most of the locals are still holding a grudge against the Vikings.

alchemist · 19th January 2011, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JunkMonkey

It's still a resentment where I live (Scotland) that the Braveheart production company suddenly decamped to Ireland to shoot the battle sequences when the Irish undercut the locals.

And it's still a resentment where I live (Ireland) that Scotland still got the credit for the scenery.

Forve · 20th January 2011, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alchemist

And it's still a resentment where I live (Ireland) that Scotland still got the credit for the scenery.

Been in Scotland twice, no advert can make a justice to its beauty

Connavar · 20th January 2011, 08:01 PM

I saw Avatar recently and sighed that is hollywood idea of SF. Blue indians and epic SF story that you can see in a 1000 books dumped down to be so melodramatic. Sure it looked good but it was as SF as tv soap opera.

I dig James Cameron but for once i wish for a SF written,directed like a calm science fictional novel. Science babble,hard sf or cyberpunk without martial arts,matrix wire fu etc

Moonbat · 21st January 2011, 09:25 AM

There is Cowboys and Aliens coming, which is, I think, Cyberpunk. Although how decent it'll be is another matter. It does have Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig in, so it might be rubbish.

I thought Moon was ok, but it wasn't THAT good. It was very predictable story line and I think people really liked it because it reminded them of old school Sci-fi.
Watchmen isn't really Sci-fi in my opinion, its more of a fantasy as it has people with super skills, and the whole idea of the Dr Manhatten is nice, but not really that impressive, and certainly not much science to the idea.
District 9 on the other hand I thought was great, I enjoyed the film style, I'm not sure how strong the sci-fi was but it was good to see a strong story that wasn't Hero saves the day type generic hollywood dross.

Although it isn't true Hollywood grand style, Primer is one of my favorite Sci-fi films of recent years, but there are also, Pandorum and Cargo that weren't too bad.

17th January 2011, 03:46 AM	#46 (permalink)
telford Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Australia, Western Australia Posts: 323	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction Hey Riff, not quite sure what you are getting at. Stop being so subtle. Ha, ha! And on the subject of mindless blah blah, let's not forget the overblown mess that was The Chronicles of Riddick. After Pitch Black, what a bitter disappointment. See Riff, that's how it's done. T.

17th January 2011, 04:34 AM	#47 (permalink)
J Riff The Ants are my friends.. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: California Posts: 1,810	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction Heh. Riddick...was an overblown mess.. It was just on TV- He's on the fire planet..there's Necromongers everywhere.. he beats up on everyone, he swings through the fire and saves everyone... he ends up ruling the galaxy-spanning Necro-galaxy... awful rubbish, I've only seen it four times..

17th January 2011, 07:06 AM	#48 (permalink)
J Riff The Ants are my friends.. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: California Posts: 1,810	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction Oh No! Pitch Black is on right now and because of your comment I have to watch it!... bloody omniscient Aussies... don't you have a flood to clean up after Telford, or did it miss you?

17th January 2011, 07:13 AM	#49 (permalink)
telford Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Australia, Western Australia Posts: 323	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction Hey Riff, what is an old fellar like you doing up at this time? I'm on the other side of the country so no floods here. Just a few major bushfires. Enjoy Pitch Black.

17th January 2011, 07:23 AM	#50 (permalink)
J Riff The Ants are my friends.. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: California Posts: 1,810	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction It's 11:20 here in Canuckada west coast. I am a night-monster so late strats at 4 a.m. I've seen it..it's near the end where the flying things attack...phooie. What else is on? Murderball,Psychic Investigators, MASH,BBC world News, Must love dogs,Hero at large...I girl 5 gays!? .... Crusoe, Frasier,Supernanny,Prank Patrol,House, Cracking antiques,Out There, no wonder I read books.

19th January 2011, 06:04 AM	#53 (permalink)
J Riff The Ants are my friends.. Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: California Posts: 1,810	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction H-Wood goes wherever the best tax breaks are. Last time I was there, the boulevard was torn up, for Hancock. Will Smith ran through and every went oohOahh. Then the movie came out and they went yechEch! That one could have been good, I thought. Incidentally, the Hollywood sign is now protected by motion-detectors and surveillance cams, there were too many people wanting to bring it down so they fortified it. Bring on the Battle of LA!

19th January 2011, 09:39 AM	#54 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 13,791 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction Well, it was a flippant remark, and the money did come from Hollywood, but I think that the fact the location filming was outside of LA also gives them a little more leeway to experiment, and not kow tow down to studio executives. They used non-Hollywood-based actors and foreign crews. Sharlto Copley may have been in The A-Team but he is a British based South African. You mention, Kevin Spacey, even he seems to spend most of his time in London running the Old Vic theatre rather than his native California. The reason for filming in Ireland, Prague and elsewhere, is that they are/were cheaper, obviously, but it does make those films different from the usual Hollywood packaged product.

20th January 2011, 08:01 PM	#59 (permalink)
Connavar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 8,010	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction I saw Avatar recently and sighed that is hollywood idea of SF. Blue indians and epic SF story that you can see in a 1000 books dumped down to be so melodramatic. Sure it looked good but it was as SF as tv soap opera. I dig James Cameron but for once i wish for a SF written,directed like a calm science fictional novel. Science babble,hard sf or cyberpunk without martial arts,matrix wire fu etc

21st January 2011, 09:25 AM	#60 (permalink)
Moonbat Luna tick Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Devon Posts: 1,818 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Hollywood can't do Science Fiction There is Cowboys and Aliens coming, which is, I think, Cyberpunk. Although how decent it'll be is another matter. It does have Harrison Ford and Daniel Craig in, so it might be rubbish. I thought Moon was ok, but it wasn't THAT good. It was very predictable story line and I think people really liked it because it reminded them of old school Sci-fi. Watchmen isn't really Sci-fi in my opinion, its more of a fantasy as it has people with super skills, and the whole idea of the Dr Manhatten is nice, but not really that impressive, and certainly not much science to the idea. District 9 on the other hand I thought was great, I enjoyed the film style, I'm not sure how strong the sci-fi was but it was good to see a strong story that wasn't Hero saves the day type generic hollywood dross. Although it isn't true Hollywood grand style, Primer is one of my favorite Sci-fi films of recent years, but there are also, Pandorum and Cargo that weren't too bad.

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