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clovis-man · 9th August 2009, 06:39 AM

I was browsing at Friends of the Library today and came across a copy of Joseph Conrad's Nostromo. I was interested to find that the title is the name of the protagonist and Suloco is the name of the town in the fictional South American country in which the story takes place.

I should have know that even Wikipedia was well aware of the connection:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaco_(spaceship)

My question is: Why were the names chosen in the first place (aside from the obvious "company as villain") and what other Alien series names are drawn from Conrad's work & why?

Dave · 9th August 2009, 08:01 AM

I suspect that Ridley Scott is a Joseph Conrad fan, having also made the film based on “The Duel”. 'Nostromo' also hints at the theme of the 'capitalist exploitation' by the company. In "Alien", Dallas orders them to investigate using a landing module named 'Narcissus', a reference to the Joseph Conrad novel, published in 1897, "The Nigger of the Narcissus." Once set, the idea of using Conrad novels as a source for the spaceship name 'Sulaco' in "Aliens" would be convenient and gives continuity between two very different films.

clovis-man · 10th August 2009, 01:36 AM

Now why didn't I see that? And NOTN is a Conrad tale that I've actually read. Any other Conrad inferences? I don't think I noted any vessels named after the Patna, the ship from Lord Jim or the Roi des Belges from Heart of Darkness.

Rodders · 26th November 2009, 09:17 PM

I will apologies in advance, as i will be posting photos of relevent models in other sections.

. I saw these on E/Bay and thought i'd post some photos of some Wooden, Hand Made desktop models. These ones are from Alien and i thought that they looked pretty cool.

clovis-man · 30th November 2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodders

I will apologies in advance, as i will be posting photos of relevent models in other sections.

. I saw these on E/Bay and thought i'd post some photos of some Wooden, Hand Made desktop models. These ones are from Alien and i thought that they looked pretty cool.

Looks more like plastic with a wooden base. There once was a plastic kit model that can sometimes be found for sale, if you're willing to pay the asking price:

Halcyon Alien 3 USS Sulaco Model Kit HAL12 Aliens - eBay (item 310185451958 end time Dec-09-09 15:15:11 PST)

Starbeast · 15th October 2011, 08:35 PM

The NOSTROMO is one of my favorite space ships of all time.

clovis-man · 15th October 2011, 09:06 PM

What a labor of love that had to be. The thing is big enough to need a garage, storage unit or a shipping container to keep it out of the weather. The question always comes up: Why didn't they do that? But I've seen full size mock-ups of historic aircraft at the Chino "Planes of Fame" museum that have been left to the elements. I guess there's just so much money and interest in such things.

Not to nit pick, but, based on the foregoing discussion, wouldn't this craft be the "Narcissus"? Haven't watched the film in a while. Maybe it's time.

Toby Frost · 16th October 2011, 07:11 PM

IIRC, the Narcissus is the escape vessel used by Ripley at the very end. And it's always time to watch Alien!

TheTomG · 16th October 2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Frost

..it's always time to watch Alien!

Brilliantly said, sir!

Jacob Larch · 20th July 2012, 07:59 PM

Agree entirely. Trying to find time to go through the series again!

ghost8772 · 15th August 2012, 06:38 PM

IIRC The Nostromo was the tug towing a refining facility. they detatched to investigate the planet. Also thought it looked a lot like the ship used to explore the planet in Prometheus.

Narcissus being a name in a Conrad novel I didn't know. However I couldn't help but point out that is the name from greek mythology, guy who fell totally and completely in love with his own reflection.

Since Conrad had apparently made the names for the major ships then its possible the escape craft was from his book, but personally, I still think the idea of "I love myself more than anything else" being tagged to an escape vehicle fits a bit more closely.

9th August 2009, 06:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
clovis-man Prehistoric Irish Cynic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,721	Nostromo & Suloco I was browsing at Friends of the Library today and came across a copy of Joseph Conrad's Nostromo. I was interested to find that the title is the name of the protagonist and Suloco is the name of the town in the fictional South American country in which the story takes place. I should have know that even Wikipedia was well aware of the connection: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaco_(spaceship) My question is: Why were the names chosen in the first place (aside from the obvious "company as villain") and what other Alien series names are drawn from Conrad's work & why?

9th August 2009, 08:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 13,791 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Nostromo & Suloco I suspect that Ridley Scott is a Joseph Conrad fan, having also made the film based on “The Duel”. 'Nostromo' also hints at the theme of the 'capitalist exploitation' by the company. In "Alien", Dallas orders them to investigate using a landing module named 'Narcissus', a reference to the Joseph Conrad novel, published in 1897, "The Nigger of the Narcissus." Once set, the idea of using Conrad novels as a source for the spaceship name 'Sulaco' in "Aliens" would be convenient and gives continuity between two very different films.

10th August 2009, 01:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
clovis-man Prehistoric Irish Cynic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,721	Re: Nostromo & Suloco Now why didn't I see that? And NOTN is a Conrad tale that I've actually read. Any other Conrad inferences? I don't think I noted any vessels named after the Patna, the ship from Lord Jim or the Roi des Belges from Heart of Darkness.

26th November 2009, 09:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rodders \|-O-\| (-O-) \|-O-\| Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 2,491	Re: Nostromo & Suloco I will apologies in advance, as i will be posting photos of relevent models in other sections. . I saw these on E/Bay and thought i'd post some photos of some Wooden, Hand Made desktop models. These ones are from Alien and i thought that they looked pretty cool. Attached Thumbnails

15th October 2011, 08:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
Starbeast Benevolent Galaxy Being Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,705	Re: Nostromo & Suloco The NOSTROMO is one of my favorite space ships of all time.

15th October 2011, 09:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
clovis-man Prehistoric Irish Cynic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,721	Re: Nostromo & Suloco What a labor of love that had to be. The thing is big enough to need a garage, storage unit or a shipping container to keep it out of the weather. The question always comes up: Why didn't they do that? But I've seen full size mock-ups of historic aircraft at the Chino "Planes of Fame" museum that have been left to the elements. I guess there's just so much money and interest in such things. Not to nit pick, but, based on the foregoing discussion, wouldn't this craft be the "Narcissus"? Haven't watched the film in a while. Maybe it's time.

16th October 2011, 07:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Toby Frost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,233	Re: Nostromo & Suloco IIRC, the Narcissus is the escape vessel used by Ripley at the very end. And it's always time to watch Alien!

20th July 2012, 07:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jacob Larch Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Merseyside Posts: 37	Re: Nostromo & Suloco Agree entirely. Trying to find time to go through the series again!

15th August 2012, 06:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
ghost8772 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 359	Re: Nostromo & Suloco IIRC The Nostromo was the tug towing a refining facility. they detatched to investigate the planet. Also thought it looked a lot like the ship used to explore the planet in Prometheus. Narcissus being a name in a Conrad novel I didn't know. However I couldn't help but point out that is the name from greek mythology, guy who fell totally and completely in love with his own reflection. Since Conrad had apparently made the names for the major ships then its possible the escape craft was from his book, but personally, I still think the idea of "I love myself more than anything else" being tagged to an escape vehicle fits a bit more closely.