T4: Terminator Salvation (2009)

[Rodders]

Thanks Will. I must admit i stole it from someone in the Rebelscum Forum. I'm not prioud of that.

I was inspired by AE35 unit who has the Discovery from 2001 in his user title. How cool does that one look?

[Connavar]

Originally Posted by Will83

I agree that he was miscast, but he's still a very skilled action actor. We don't get many of those, so we have to be liberal with what we've got. Personally, I think Sam Worthington would have made a better Conner, but he did well enough as Marcus.

And I'm digging the Star Wars reference in your user title!

Bale saved the movie from being totally off to me.

You need an actor with charisma,enough acting skills,heavy enough to carry Connor role.

Worthington was good as Marcus but he barely could pull of that.

[Will83]

Really? That's interesting. You didn't think he was too "Batman"? I totally agree that he's charismatic, highly skilled and talented, and such, but that doesn't always work. Arguably the most talented actor in the world, Daniel Day-Lewis, wouldn't have worked for the roll of John Conner, but it wouldn't be for a lack of skill or charisma, but rather he simply doesn't fit. It'd be distracting even if he gave an outstanding performance.

[Heinleinaddict]

Pretty great action in this Film. Of course people need to understand that this was no T2, but it certainly wasn't the movie that T3 was, which is a good thing.

[Connavar]

Originally Posted by Will83

Really? That's interesting. You didn't think he was too "Batman"? I totally agree that he's charismatic, highly skilled and talented, and such, but that doesn't always work. Arguably the most talented actor in the world, Daniel Day-Lewis, wouldn't have worked for the roll of John Conner, but it wouldn't be for a lack of skill or charisma, but rather he simply doesn't fit. It'd be distracting even if he gave an outstanding performance.

I think people are projecting things on him just because he is soo famous for Batman. He have played gritty hero roles way before Batman.

The voice had nothing to do with the lame fake Bat voice in TDK. I see Bale for who he is and what he can bring to the role. Not think he doesnt fit because he was Batman in his last film. Thats just because Hollywood wants him in this kind of role to make alot of money on his BO fame.

[Scifi fan]

I just saw it, and I think it comes across as a giant video game - there're no surprises, and the plot was fairly predictable.

I'll give the series one more chance. If the next one is also predictable, I'll give it up.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Scifi fan

...there're no surprises, and the plot was fairly predictable.

They gave away the surprise at the very beginning. It might have been improved if we didn't find out Marcus was a Cyborg until half-way through. After thinking on it for a week, I think that idea of having him take over the identity of John Connor would have been even better. It is a shame if they didn't have the guts to do that and went for a safer ending instead.

[Scifi fan]

After thinking on it for a week, I think that idea of having him take over the identity of John Connor would have been even better.

That would have been REALLY interesting, because it means that the original John Connor isn't quite as important as previously thought.

The thing that gets me, though, is how Skynet found out that Kyle Reese is the father of John Connor - who told it? Only 2 people know this - Sarah ... and John. No one else.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Scifi fan

...how Skynet found out that Kyle Reese is the father of John Connor - who told it? Only 2 people know this - Sarah ... and John. No one else.

That is a good point, but no doubt the Cyberdyne Industries corporate merger with Google in 2012 is the answer:

All results for John Connor, including matches outside the UK and Ireland.
View Matches 1–1 of 590,618 Sorted By Relevance:

California Birth Index, 1903-1997. Birth, Marriage & Death.

Name: John Connor
Father: Kyle Reese
Birth: date - 1985
Mother's maiden name: Connor

[Scifi fan]

LOL!

In this reality, yes. But, in that other reality, how would Google know? And, if Google did know, then the Pentagon and other high-ranking powers would also know what Skynet would become, and so they'd install a self-destruct mechanism - like the Windows Vista OS.

[Culhwch]

I just came from seeing it today, and I quite enjoyed it. Better than the third, not a match for the first or second. I agree with those that felt Bale was miscast, though. He did a great job in the role, but I just didn't see the character he was in the third movie becoming the John Connor of this movie. But I guess a nuclear apocalypse will do that to a guy...

[Niolani]

I was disappointed with the movie. I'm not a fan of the newer Batman movies so I didn't realise Bale's voice thing until someone else pointed it out. I think he was well cast, as most have said there really isn't many actors these days who could pull the character off.

I felt it was almost just a rehash of the other movies. They had quotes from previous movies, a chase with a truck and a motorbike (T2), the frozen terminator moving again (T2) and a whole heap of others that I can't remember right now as I saw it 3 weeks ago or so.

I also saw the resemblance to the Transformers action stuff. I haven't seen Transformers 2 yet but I'll be interested to see how close it compares.

I went into the movie expecting John Connors story to be told but ended up with Marcus's. I feel that it was more a filer type movie just to keep the franchise ticking over. I liked the action but that was about it.

[Rodders]

I suppose it's a difficult thing. They've got to add their own stamp to the Franchise and move away from the Cameron aspect. Bearing in mind that this is a summer blockbuster and it does appear to be less story and more bang for your buck. I haven't seen it yet. I want to, but i don't hold out much hope. Maybe next time?

[Dave]

Rodders - there is enough plot among the destruction and pyrotechnics.

Originally Posted by Niolani

I went into the movie expecting John Connors story to be told but ended up with Marcus's.

I think you have pinpointed the crux of problem, and if what I posted from Wikipedia is correct, then it was originally meant that Marcus's story would be John's story. If it is true, then it is because they changed their minds that the final result has little to do with overall thread of the four films to date - which is why you thought it seemed like a "filler type movie."

But do go see it Rodders, or wait for the DVD release. You do get to see more of the post-apocalyptic Earth and the teenage Kyle. (I was going to say Kyle Reese but decided not after what C of K said.)

I made all my criticisms earlier, but I just re-watched 'Terminator' and 'Terminator 2: Judgement Day'. I have to say that they stand up together a lot better than most franchises do. For instance, there are a lot of internal inconsistencies with the 'Alien' films that you don't get with this franchise.

[C Of K]

Lol. I guess I shouldn't stand in the way of what comes natural to people

Go ahead. I don't mind. Call him what you will.