Pope Condemns Condoms

[TheEndIsNigh]

I think the point is that the question of wearing the condom never arises (well hardly).

They are available however, the average rampant rapist (given they will never be brought to justice) is hardly likely to worry about safe sex especially if he thinks he is curing himself by not wearing one.

Drachir:

It's interesting that some areas are reducing the the problem however, as you say the real problem is, that as I understand it, the men in africa don't wish to use condoms for any reason.

Let's face it the real problem with aids is men.

Let's face it the real problem with the world is man.

Let's face it the universe would be better of without us.

Still, not long now though.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TheEndIsNigh

I think the point is that the question of wearing the condom never arises (well hardly).

Sorry, but now you are missing my point: Obviously, if people die on the roads and in cars, car driving is therefore unsafe. You could instruct people not to drive. You can give people rules about how to drive correctly. Some people will always ignore rules. Some people never wear seatbelts. If I follow your logic, we might as well do away with seatbelts altogether because clearly they do not work.

[PTeppic]

Yeah, but that seems to be the Vatican's logic: seatbelts don't prevent road deaths so we don't endorse seatbelts. I.e. condoms don't stop AIDS so we don't endorse condoms (since we also have other issues with them).

[Ursa major]

I can remain silent no longer. (Goodness knows, I've tried.)


This ban is based wholly on church politics and the need for unity in the Christian church: to put it simply, the Pope does not believe in safe sects.

[dustinzgirl]

Originally Posted by TheEndIsNigh

Let's face it the real problem with the world is man.

Let's face it the universe would be better of without us.

Finally a man who makes sense.



And yeah, Ursa, you are correct.

But I think the world is putting way too much focus on condom arguments, and not enough on the root issue.

[Cayal]

Originally Posted by dustinzgirl

Finally a man who makes sense.

It makes no sense at all.

Firstly there is no problem with the universe. Second there is no problem with man...what we do what every other animal does? Survives. Wow, destroy us all.

[TheEndIsNigh]

Originally Posted by Cayal

It makes no sense at all.

Firstly there is no problem with the universe. Second there is no problem with man...what we do what every other animal does? Survives. Wow, destroy us all.

Drifting slightly here though relavent to the point. We survive but the other animals don't they go extict in their thousands every year.

Dave:

Sorry, but now you are missing my point: Obviously, if people die on the roads and in cars, car driving is therefore unsafe. You could instruct people not to drive. You can give people rules about how to drive correctly. Some people will always ignore rules. Some people never wear seatbelts. If I follow your logic, we might as well do away with seatbelts altogether because clearly they do not work.

No I understand the seat belts and it's a point fairly made. However, there seems little point in using the seat belt in a car when whats going to kill you is a bloke with a gun.

"Please mister, if your going to rape me can I fasten my seat belt first. I don't want to die when the truck hits us while we are parked on the hard shoulder."

Men in Africa, in general, don't wear condoms, wont wear condoms, and as with most men couldn't give a toss about the consequences of unprotected sex as long as they get what they want.

[dustinzgirl]

Originally Posted by Cayal

I might be missing something here...how does that prove condoms won't work?

Condoms do work. There is access to free condoms in Africa. We (as in first world) send them over there by the shiploads.

But,

CONDOMS ONLY WORK IF PEOPLE USE THEM.

WARMONGERS AND WARLORDS AND THEIR SOLDIERS DO NOT USE CONDOMS.

RAPISTS DO NOT USE CONDOMS.

The majority of AIDS in Africa is spread by rape and war.

Not by sex workers or by family people, who use condoms, as the statistical research I posted noted.

Therefore, if you all want to continue arguing about how awesome it is to put a bandaid on a guncshot wound or use a condom to stop a leak in the Hoover dam, be my guest.

But NOTHING in Africa will change until the root causes are fixed.

It has NOT changed in the last TWENTY YEARS because people focus on condoms instead of doing what really needs to be done.

[Cayal]

Yes..we all know that. It happens all around the world. People won't die if people stop murdering them as well.

Very easy to say what causes it, very easy to say it mostly doesn't work. It also does nothing.

[pyan]

I think this thread is straying perilously close to ad hominem attacks, people - can we make sure that the line doesn't get stepped over, please...?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by dustinzgirl

But I think the world is putting way too much focus on condom arguments, and not enough on the root issue.

I agree, and what's more, I think we would all agree on that point really. What I still don't understand is why this then becomes an reason to tell people not to use condoms at all, and no one, for all the shouting, has yet explained that.

[Cayal]

It's probably because you can't stop the root of the problem, you can only hope to slow it down.

[Allegra]

Originally Posted by Dave

I agree, and what's more, I think we would all agree on that point really. What I still don't understand is why this then becomes an reason to tell people not to use condoms at all, and no one, for all the shouting, has yet explained that.

Precisely.

The root problem, methinks, *God* made a mischief to creat man. Oops.

[TheEndIsNigh]

So, switching ever so slightly to another aspect.

Why did he bother anyway. How many catholics are there in Africa.

It surprised me, given how much attention the faithful pay to any of the other areas they claim authority over, that he expected anyone to take any notice.

Given how much the ten commandments are rigorously followed by the religious in the world you have to wonder what it's all about.

[Ursa major]

Originally Posted by TheEndIsNigh

Why did he bother anyway. How many catholics are there in Africa.

Africa seems to be one of the places where religions are actively in a race with each other to gain influence and numbers of adherents.

An example: The situation in Nigeria between Christianity and Islam is one of the things driving the growing split in Anglicanism: the local Anglican clergy seem to vie with Muslim clerics to be as homophobic as they can. (Nigeria isn't the only African country where this is happening.) The Anglican hierarchy sides with them to the extent of willing to see the departure of the US Episcopalians.

Given that it is the largest Christian denomination, one can't expect Roman Catholicism to be absent fom this "struggle for souls".


So while my earlier comment was somewhat flippant, this really is a combination of dogma and church politics in action.