Musical chit-chat thread.

[Runya]

Originally Posted by sloweye

But we were talking music not mass prodced pap like Girl/boy bands.

That's part of music. Plus, I wrote in bold the key word.

[sloweye]

see, for me thats not real music. people who write their own lyrics and play their own instraments, the stuff that takes talent, thats music.

[Interference]

Impassioned speech, there Runya.

Okay, take the popularity of music as a starting point. Why is some popular and some other much less so? Is it just because you can dance to some and not others?

We have no way to know what the first music was, but it was probably dance music or war music, something to get adrenalin pumping. I'm pretty certain it wasn't a love song, anyway. The drum beat keyed to the heart-rate is something that I think was only cynically and deliberately used from the mid-to-late '70s. Prior to that, it was probably just an accidental bi-product that was found in a lot of Rock 'n' Roll.

Dance music is now deliberately targetted at the nervous system. People hear dance music when they go out to have a good time. If they have a good time when they're out, they'll think it good music, too. We associate music with many, many different types of memory. (There's one song that makes me cry, not because it's particularly beautiful or emotional, but because of how much I lost of the person who loved it). So perhaps dance music charts (from the 20th Century verb "to chart" )because it brings back happy memories of great nights out.

But there's other music, too, that tries to impress a feeling on you and sometimes it is just so perfectly done that the association with the emotion comes not from your own experience but from an expertly juxta-posed sequence of notes and sound colours. The highest compliment I've ever received for my music was once when one person said that a particular phrase gave them goose-bumps.

Most music now is commercially focussed. Not all, but even in those that you might consider non-commercial, there is a commercial aspect. These have been chosen to fulfill ne needs of a niche market. I suppose we all have to find out for ourselves which niche we feel most comfortable in.

So, let the drones pervay their dross. I'll make my own emotional connections, thank you very much

[Runya]

Again... NOWADAYS that's considered Music too. So, like I said before, Music has lost its purpose...

[Runya]

Nice speech Inter And you put my thoughts in a better aspect to read. However, I still think it has lost its real purpose of doing all those things you stated above.

If my speech was impassioned, then... What did you leave to yours? ...

[sloweye]

Originally Posted by Runya

Again... NOWADAYS that's considered Music too. So, like I said before, Music has lost its purpose...

But again without pointing to a particular type of music that statement dosent stand, i mean have you listened to David Gilmores new album? or AC/DC's new stuff? There are people out there still keeping it pure for us. or even some of the newer bands who are actualy composeing there own music.

[Interference]

This is a dangerously glib response, but I don't mean it to be either dangerous or glib ...

Change the music you listen to.

Whatever it is, there's an alternative. You may not find it without effort. In '75/'76 there was a need for a new type of music, but someone had to invent it - it was punk. I didn't buy into it completely, but millions did. Art was re-shaped to meet the demands of its era, from music to clothing to graphic design, everything latched onto the nasty-is-nice message.

Which then became commercialised

It's like I was saying about publishers earlier: once people get something, they tell their mates and because of where the message comes from, they make an effort to get it, too. Eventually the music buying public (particularly) associates tripe music with happy experiences and they all troop down in a pavlovian fashion to the record stores to build up their collections.

You are absolutely right that music isn't doing what it's meant to do anymore. It's the thinking listener's duty to serve themselves properly and try to re-educate the masses.

God, i'm turning all Artistically Right-Wing. My sister would be ashamed of me

[Runya]

Originally Posted by sloweye

But again without pointing to a particular type of music that statement dosent stand, i mean have you listened to David Gilmores new album? or AC/DC's new stuff? There are people out there still keeping it pure for us. or even some of the newer bands who are actualy composeing there own music.

Okay, I know that there are some who still are trying to keep Music alive... But my point of view of its purpose decaying with the years is not going to change.

When you sit on your living room searching for something nice to watch, and you encounter a Music channel, you don't see AC/DC's video clips...nor any of David Gilmore's... What does that tell you?

[Runya]

Originally Posted by Interference

This is a dangerously glib response, but I don't mean it to be either dangerous or glib ...

Change the music you listen to.

Whatever it is, there's an alternative. You may not find it without effort. In '75/'76 there was a need for a new type of music, but someone had to invent it - it was punk. I didn't buy into it completely, but millions did. Art was re-shaped to meet the demands of its era, from music to clothing to graphic design, everything latched onto the nasty-is-nice message.

I am not complaining ... I am just saying that Music these days is totally worthless compared to two or three decades ago...

[Interference]

Sorry, I added to mine while you were answering it. I really have to learn when to stop, don't I?

Final(?) addition: Cream rises to the top (?) - in thirty years from now, who will be remembered? How good will they be? Will they define the memory of today's music scene?

And will my songs be a part of it?

(don't answer that )

[sloweye]

But even in the change to punk there was artist tallent involved, granted not with all the bands. but the chart toppers today that come from TV talent (haha) shows just dont compare to those who are writing, weater they be old or new bands.

I liked some of the dance music from the early to mid 90's, but even then they had to mix it on turntabels and synths, now i have a computher program that will do it all for me, wheres the talent in that? its just Drag 'n' drop.

[Interference]

Originally Posted by sloweye

i mean have you listened to David Gilmores new album?

I've had it since it came out and it's been on my CD player again all this week

It's a bit patchy (dare I say even "dull" in places) but overall, a fascinating study of an older man's lifestyle (references to the look in his childrens' eyes, to long walks with his wife - not just his girly anymore - and so on. More grown-up than Macca's Memory Almost Full in many ways, which treads the same sort of territory, because it doesn't deal with love and sex as cavalierly as Paul does.

[Runya]

Give me 10 minutes. I will be back! I need to do something. Just hold on to this thread!

[Interference]

Yeah, cat-duties are calling me, too

[sloweye]

But thats my point, dull as it may be in places he used his talent to put it together not a third party, band like Girls aloud dont even belong in the same class, so it cant be said that music today has lost its meaning, coz not all of it has.