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| Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 This is a much better stab at this, and truly shows that editing is what makes a writer. (At least that is what the editors tell me.) BTW, I am not readin others critiques because it often makes me miss things when I do. I am just going to go through and point out some of what I see. Quote:
Having been through some hellish workshops and courses I have learned to see flaws when editing that I do not see when reading. I am actually glad that I can separate the processes to a degree because I know some editors who always have a blue pencil in their hand, even when reading for fun. This attempt is much better than the first one you posted. Keep working at it and you will have a good story that is well constructed and very readable. | |
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| Get on with it! Join Date: Oct 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 Have to disagree Joshua. "Preferably both" would be definitely wrong, but it any case it's common usage to say "the Bayswater Road", "the Fulham Road" etc with a capital "R" - maybe it's a London thing. |
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| weaver of the unseen Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Re: CotM v5 I have a problem with this viewpoint character. Does she narrate too much? Quote:
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| Breakfast of choice Join Date: Oct 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 Additions or Alterations in red Things I think should be deleted in magenta Notes in blue Quote:
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| | #21 (permalink) | |
| weaver of the unseen Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Re: CotM v5 Thanks Waffles, there's enough of hint for you to the observation you made on the reality of the bracelet. I didn't want to add there a conversation between her, Es and Barrett, just dive in the scene and go from there. Quote:
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| weaver of the unseen Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Re: CotM v5 I'm not sure about the pacing here. Is it moving too fast? Should there be more description of the compound they are in (the communications room description has been given earlier in another POV)? Quote:
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| Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 Quote:
The following isn't a comprehensive resource on the use of abusive phrases in Japanese, but the translations should be more than enough to give you the idea. koukeisha.net/nihongo-bin/ - click on the left menu for various insults and nastiness rendered in romaji. Please note that the text is not suitable for anyone easily offended or at work. Or both. Sorry I don't have more time to go through the piece for a more thorough critique but in general what I would say is that a redraft to thin out some of the bloat that's creeping in in places, for example: Quote:
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On the final sentence...can he really walk through half metre thick concrete walls? There's some nice conflict between the characters -- it makes the scene interesting. However, if anything I feel the pacing doesn't suffer from being too fast, but rather too staccato. A lot of the "he said, sat facing the wall with his left ankle looped over his right while guilt and anger washed through him before continuing," breaks in the middle of speech could be pared down or cut entirely. | |||
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| Get on with it! Join Date: Oct 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 Personally, I thought the pacing was about right; I found the discussion interesting and like MGIR said, there was some effective conflict between the characters. I don't think more description is needed, but nor do I think that the speech is too staccato. Though I hesitate to disagree with anyone godlike enough to have a save-point above his head, I can't actually see any of the "he said, sat facing the wall with his left ankle looped over his right while guilt and anger washed through him before continuing,"-style breaks MGIR was talking about. At least, they didn't jar with me like they seem to have done with him, and I don't think they contained any irrelevant information. |
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| Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
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| Re: CotM v5 Quote:
To maybe flesh out what I mean a little further, let me pick out a couple of examples. It's not so much that the information is irrelevant, it's just that relevant points are sometimes sledgehammered home as opposed to being driven in with precision. Quote:
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Also - scouring. A scourge is a whip. Quote:
Barrett leaned over the table to touch an icon at Tom's side. I take issue with the additional "that" in the speech as it doesn't sound natural to me. Grammar in dialogue is all swings and roundabouts, though - you might have intended the slightly stilted air it lends the line. Quote:
Anyway, I'm now getting fierce looks for typing when I'm meant to be doing other things, like make some more Goddamned tea so hopefully that will get across what I mean when I say that I do like the story, but in my humble opinion the prose could be a great deal more crisp, and that I fully believe from reading ctg's critiques of other work that he is more than capable of crisping it up very firmly indeed. Last edited by mygoditsraining; 4th January 2009 at 01:31 PM. Reason: Additional sentence added. | ||||||
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| weaver of the unseen Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Re: CotM v5 MGIR, thank you, but you do understand that even though I'm able to give criticism, I have trouble on my own work. I simply cannot watch my own prose with those same critical eyes as I do watch other people's work. I try my best, but sometimes I just need other people's opinions on what's right and what's wrong. After all, even some people say otherwise, I'm a human not a machine. |
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| weaver of the unseen Join Date: Aug 2007
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| Re: CotM v5 Ok, here's revised edition. Quote:
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| | #28 (permalink) | |
| Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
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Recently, I've been writing pieces for competition use; in the past two weeks I've written three stories, and in each case I've had to use my own judgement in the initial redraft and polish phases. The thing is, I simply don't know anyone close to me who I can give the piece to for a "proper" edit, and so what I'm left with is passing it round 3 or 4 of my friends (including my unenthusiastic sibling) and filtering their reflections through the mirror of my own experience of them. For example, I know the horror story will go down an absolute storm with my goth friend, but she'll pick the reflective essay to pieces with dispassionate ease - it's not that one is better than the other, it's just she's engaged by the former and not by the latter. That said, if the former fails to engage her, I know it sucks, and if she enthuses about the latter, I know I'm on the right track. I remember reading a comment from David Eddings on the subject - he said, roughly paraphrasing, that we should all be our own worst critics. Mind you, he also said you should write a million words, burn it, and then write a novel. I disagree. If you do write a million words before you get round to your novels you should keep hold of them, wait until you're absurdly famous, then publish them as an anthology of unreleased works on the strength of your name alone and leave people arguing for generations to come over whether you're a genius, or a hack. | |
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