Classical online broadcasting

[Allegra]

Welcome to Classical Music Broadcast - internet radio online 24 hours a day with your favorite classical music online

Found this site lately from another forum and like it very much. Just click on Windows Media Player on the page or others available you'll have 24/7 endless classical classical and modern classical pieces - program details are on the left, many are new to my ears. Very refreshing. The sound quality is excellent!

[chrispenycate]

The pedant winces at "modern classical". Oh yes, I know exactly (well, as exactly as any musical classification can be, anyway) what the term covers; anything played traditionally with traditional instruments which is not musique contemporaine, film music, mass market pop or easy listening, new age…

Oh, I'm not (quite) pedantic enough to claim "classical" ended with "romantic", especially after the performing rights societies attempted to come up with a definition of "serious" music (which would receive greater royalties than presumably "frivolous" music, in an attempt to favour concerts of traditional music over hip-hop.) on which a majority of musicians and lawyers could agree.

Contemporary composers will all insist that their pieces, be they jazz symphonies or chain sawing a Steinway apart, are artistically significant, and worthy of the higher rate.

Oops, sorry, seem to have gone a bit off topic here.

[Allegra]

Hmmm...it's hard to escape Chrispy's watchful eyes!

Re modern classical music I have wiki to back me up:"Classical music is a broad term that usually refers to mainstream music produced in, or rooted in the traditions of Westernliturgical and secular music, encompassing a broad period from roughly the 9th century to present times." But perhaps more accurate term should be 20 century classical music (20th century classical music - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and contemporary classical music.

'Serious music' and 'frivolous music'? Wow, these terms sound terribly incorrect - artistically, scientifically and even, as much as I hate the PC phrase, politically.

[chrispenycate]

Frivolous was my term; I just couldn't think of a better term to contrast with "serious", which was theirs.

There was just this theory that someone who'd gone through conservatory training, got his relevant paperwork, managed to persuade cultural organisations to pay for his concerts because there was no way enough people were going to want to pay to listen, that this sort of artist who got one of his numbers played on the radio every two years, that he was more deserving of higher rates than the guy who wrote the birdy dance and lived very nicely off the proceeds for the next two years.

The argument is reasonable, but the ways of measuring "seriousness" were not. Number of voices of polyphony? Eliminate everything that can not be accurately played from traditional music paper? Whatever you choose you get some section of the musical community claiming they are obviously the exception that should get paid at the higher rate, and this went on for years. Finally they've settled for a degressive tariff - the more often you're played, the less you receive for each performance.

The basic theory that for art to be good, it must be widely incomprehensible, and definitely not popular.

[Allegra]

No matter how much we love music when it comes down to business it's just as dirty as any other business. I figure you might be interested in Norman Lebrecht's Who Killed Classical Music?: Maestros, Managers, and Corporate Politics. I read it some time ago. While I can't say I believe everything Lebrecht said but it's certainly eye-opening. However, despite the money-driven blood-sucking bunch in the business, same as classical literature, classical music can never be 'killed'. Conservatories are still breeding prodigies like growing apples; numbers of concerts and attendance have increased recent years... In fact quite some people predict classical music are making a coming back.

Right, I could've thought 'Frivolous music' your composition! When I see the term the first thing sprang to mind is Ahdrie Rieu and his frivolous orchestra - see what a mawkish thing he turned Shostakovich's famous waltz to: YouTube - Andre Rieu - Shostakovich' Second Waltz. Then again, I can tolerate his frivolousness for he may be building a bridge for some people to get into the, um...'Serious music' - see now we are talking!

[mosaix]

Thanks for this Allegra.

[AE35Unit]

Originally Posted by chrispenycate

Oh, I'm not (quite) pedantic enough to claim "classical" ended with "romantic", especially after the performing rights societies attempted to come up with a definition of "serious" music

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Oh i'm a believer in that kind of pedantry,if thats what it is. To me classical exists in two forms. It can mean anything performed by an orchestra and thus includes the likes of Benjamin Britten,Shostakovich,Aarvo Paart etc,but I like to be more specific and say that classical followed on from Baroque and probably began with CPE Bach and ended with Beethoven or early Schubert(that man was around for far too short a time!)
I would further add that Schubert and Schumann,particularly the latter,marked and end to classical form and became to be known as Romantic,the word having nothing to do with romance and love,but meaning a free spirit,not bound by cold and strict convention. This had its peak with Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninov etc. Later we have Modern which is where things get really strange!

[chrispenycate]

"Anything performed by an orchestra" includes most hollywood big film music, and some rock bands teamed up with classical orchestras for recordings and a few live concerts.

On the other hand it excludes practically all chamber music, piano solos, pipe organ...

Music, like literature, is not conveniently produced for dividing into categories; some is obviously this or that, others you know perfectly well what it is, but it doesn't fit the definition. Can you call something specifically composed by an artist "folk music" because it is played on traditional instruments? People do. Why isn't bossanova "ethnic" since it comes froma particular community? It's like trying to make a rigid boundary between SF and fantasy.

[AE35Unit]

Ah but you see,for me there IS a rigid boundarn between SF and Fantasy. One's feasible,the other is only feasible in a dream