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Old 27th February 2005, 05:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

It occurs to me that maybe you have been extremely sneaky, Ms Kelpie/Howard, and may have switched these two characters outside of the reader's eye view. It's a hunch, but with the way that Sinderian keeps managing to dig her way out of holes, I just wonder whether there is more to Sinderian than meets the eye. I'm not asking you for an outright answer, Kelpie, or a plot spoiler, but more to prompt other readers into seeing whether we can out-guess you a little.
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Old 27th February 2005, 05:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

I'll just say that the relationship between the two characters is a little more complex than it might first appear.
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Old 16th July 2005, 04:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'll just say that the relationship between the two characters is a little more complex than it might first appear.
That's what I perceived too... That some how Nimenoe (or someone, I'm assuming her) linked the two girls, just as Ouriana suggest later in the book.
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Old 16th July 2005, 04:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

There will be a little bit of explanation of the situation about halfway through the second volume. But that's a good guess, Alia.

Many things that were hinted at or implied in THS will be made a little clearer (in some cases a lot clearer) in the next one. It will be interesting to see how many of you all saw some of these things coming and how many connections you made for yourselves. I'll be weaving some loose threads of the story back in, and you can expect some characters who disappeared out of the action to make some reappearances.
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Old 16th July 2005, 05:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

A good guess... Hhhhhhmmmm.... now you have me thinking, Kelpie. I think it will haunt me until I figure it out...
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Old 19th July 2005, 01:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

I remain amazed at the complexity of your plotting, Kelpie. Can you explain a little more about how you put your overall plot together? Are you someone who has to write out the threads in detail before committing the story to paper, or do you develop threads as you go?

I'll admit that my four book series was plotted a book at a time, with only a mentally visualised overall idea of where the series was to finish. I'd be intrigued to know whether you actually plot your series out before writing book 1, or whether you take each one as it comes, building on the background you have developed at the beginning.
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Old 21st July 2005, 12:48 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I sort of use a combination approach to plotting, Mark.

There is a certain amount of planning and outlining done in advance, if only so that I can be sure there really is a story there (as opposed to an idea for a story -- which I've learned is not the same thing at all) and that the story has someplace to go. But the planning gets less and less detailed toward the end of the outline, and I tend to regard what there is of it as sort of a default, because I want to stay as open as possible to changes wherever a problem appears, or whenever something good comes along unexpectedly.

Also, with a really complicated plot too much pre-planning can be a big mistake, I think. After all, the beginning of a project, before I even start writing, is not the time when I know the characters and their situation and the setting as well as I'm going to. It's not a time when I've had a chance to figure out all of the complications and ramifications that could possibly come up. So I try not to marry myself to any half-baked ideas just because they looked good at the beginning. (Note that I say try. I'd be the last to claim that I always succeed.) And the more characters and plotlines going on, the easier it is to avoid gaping plotholes if I let the story grow naturally, one thing leading to another, ideas generating other ideas, instead of start out with a bunch of totally unrelated (but cool) elements and trying to graft then all together after the fact.

But very little of the above applies to a more linear plot. With short stories, for instance, I pretty much have everything planned out before I start writing.

Another thing I do with a long project is think a lot about what's coming up next and what's coming up later, and end up scribbling down a lot of bits and pieces -- sometimes just my thoughts, sometimes actual pieces of dialogue or narrative or description. I used to put all of this into spiral notebooks, which tended to be pretty much a mish-mash, since none of these things come out in any particular order, but now I'm learning to write things down on note cards or sheets of paper, so I can pop each one into a folder devoted to the appropriate segment of the story. Would that I had done this from the beginning, because I still spend a lot of time leafing through notebooks trying to find things that I know are in there somewhere ...

But it often happens that by the time I get to the chapter or the scene in question, some of these notes no longer apply, and I end up not using them after all.

As I said, a combination approach.
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Old 21st July 2005, 10:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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That's really useful, thanks a lot. I've never been big on sequential, organised notes, but I've fallen foul a few times through not making any. Everything has been vivid in my head and I haven't seen the need ... until a year or two later when writing a subsequent book and then I have to sift back through my previous work to find details that I know I must keep consistent.

I know that many writers (particularly female writers) sometimes find it easier to write sections of stories that are vivid to them there and then, regardless of where they fit into the overall story. Then they fit the pieces together and fill in the gaps. Being of a logical, male, one thing must follow another type, I find that I have to draft my stories in chronological order. If I get stuck, I cannot dot forwards and backwards writing other parts of the story whilst I work out the problems. I just have to sweat over the problem until I solve it. Sometimes I feel like I'm working at a distinct disadvantage. I do like the idea of a folder of notes that I can add to, though. I think I'll start doing that.
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Old 21st July 2005, 11:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Was Sinderian switched with Winloki?

No, except for little bits and pieces, I have to write in chronological order, too. Since I let so many things change along the way, skipping ahead and writing those chapters could be a waste of time, as alterations I might make to earlier chapters could make the later parts of the book no longer viable.

On the other hand, though I don't skip forward, I will go back several chapters, in order to solve problems that crop up. Sometimes when I can't go forward, the only solution is to go backward.

The reason that I'm up and about right now, at (God help us) three in the morning, is because I've been writing and rewriting the same chapter over and over for the last few days and couldn't get it right. Then, just before bedtime, which was about 11 o'clock, I finally realized that the problem wasn't in the words I was using but that the chapter was fundamentally wrong. I then sat down and wrote up a bunch of notes on how to pretty much write a new version of the chapter from scratch.

By which time (about midnight) I was too tired to actually start on the rewrite, but too keyed up to go to sleep.

A pity I didn't have that revelation earlier this evening -- but at least I finally figured it out.
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Old 27th September 2005, 09:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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On the other hand, though I don't skip forward, I will go back several chapters, in order to solve problems that crop up. Sometimes when I can't go forward, the only solution is to go backward.
I've just discovered what you mean! I've had to go back to an earlier point in Imperial Assassin and insert not just one extra chapter, but two! I've never had to do this before. I'm now trying to work out whether this is progress!

I hope you're writing is coming along well. Imperial Assassin is now three quarters complete. I should finish it next month and become a bit more of a regular in here again. I'm looking forward to your next book with great anticipation.
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Old 28th September 2005, 01:02 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I hope you're writing is coming along well. )
I'm afraid you don't want to know the answer to that question.
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Old 28th September 2005, 08:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm afraid you don't want to know the answer to that question.
Oh dear! Well, if it helps, you have at least one here cheering you on - though I suspect there are more around who are willing the words to flow.

Argh! Just noticed the typo in my previous post. I hate it when that happens. I've just received the book proof through for Imperial Spy and I've already found three errors - I'm only up to page 12 of 384! I hope their proof reader is good.
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