Valyrian blood

[Culhwch]

So many arguments, and too many of them good...

I'll admit it could go either way and leave it at that. Obviously a lot of strong feelings on this point. What it most comes down to for me is my gut feeling that Rhaegar is not Jon's father. I'll cling to my little belief until the next book arrives. And then probably eat my words...

[hodor]

Aye... I have a feeling alot of us will be eating some words. It is still fun to speculate. I myself will be interested to see if any of my beliefs alter when I do another re read. However, I won't be doing that until I know for sure when his next book is gonna arrive.

[Raven]

For sure, we don't know yet, but the word from Boskone is that AFFC will 'almost certainly' be published this summer. I wouldn't give this any more credit than previous reports, except that it allegedly comes from the mouth of GRRM himself, and he has never before given even a vague commitment about when the book will be published...

[gigi]

I also would have never figured out R+L=J by myself. But when I saw all the evidence, it just made so much sense that I was an instant believer. I mean, there were 3 members of the Kingsguard guarding Lyanna at the Tower of Joy. "Kings" guard. Guarding Kings. UmmmHmmm.

[Jeroam]

I was with gigi on the R+L=J thing and found Ned's dream chapter about the Tower of Joy to be the strongest evidence for it. Not to mention the obvious "How many times did he rape her?" lines that came from Robert. I'm pretty sure it wasn't rape. But this debate has been going on for how many years now? It could be too simple of an answer. I think Ned was in love with Ashara Dayne and would have married her if his father and brother hadn't been killed and the rebellion taken place. Jojen's story that he tells Bran about the tourney at Harrenhall mentions a shy wolf and a dance as well as Lyanna being crowned Queen of Beauty. Perhaps Jon's mother is Ashara. And speaking of Valyrian blood, nobody ever talks about Edric Dayne Lord of Starfall squire to Beric Dondarrion. That kid is the last of the Blackfyre Targaryens and I would wager body parts on it. For a while I was running with a theory that he was the Rhaeger and Lyanna love child, but he's too young.

[cercar]

Originally Posted by Jeroam

And speaking of Valyrian blood, nobody ever talks about Edric Dayne Lord of Starfall squire to Beric Dondarrion. That kid is the last of the Blackfyre Targaryens and I would wager body parts on it. For a while I was running with a theory that he was the Rhaeger and Lyanna love child, but he's too young.

I've been through the series quite a few times and I don't remember anything about Blackfyre Targaryens or any significant mentioning of Edric Dayne

[Winters_Sorrow]

I was under the impression Barristan the Bold killed the last of the Blackfyre pretenders?

[Boaz]

I forget who offed the Blackfyres, but it seems that with all of the mention of Robert's bastards that there could be more Targaryen bastards out there. Did Maester Aemon never go to Mole's Town or did he never father a bastard before he went to the Wall? I think Jon and Tyrion are both Targaryen bastards. And what is the deal with the Queen of Thorns... is she a Targaryen bastard? She seems to hate the Lannisters with a passion. And one more crackpot theory, Sam is actually a Targaryen.

[Frey Slayer]

Originally Posted by Boaz

And what is the deal with the Queen of Thorns... is she a Targaryen bastard? She seems to hate the Lannisters with a passion. And one more crackpot theory, Sam is actually a Targaryen.

My memory of the Lady Olenna Tyrell, aka the Queen of Thorns, was she thought it folly for her son to attempt so close an alliance with the Lannisters given their somewhat tumutuous history as residents of Kings Landing. The situation just further deteriorated with Cersei's attitude, the death of Joffrey etc.
My take on her was that she was exceedingly intelligent and even manipulative when it came to defending her family. Certainly a dynamic and interesting character.

I think everyone already knows and agrees that Hot Pie is the last remaining Targaryean bastard

[Boaz]

I actually thought that Hot Pie's father was a pyromancer.

One question about Valyrian blood. Do all Valyrians have connections with Dragons?

Another question. Doom fell upon Valyria and magic went out in the west... did the Valyrians have a special connection to magic, a propensity to be magic users? And did Valyria fall because of the absence of magic or did the magic stop when Valyria fell?

[Culhwch]

Originally Posted by Jeroam

And speaking of Valyrian blood, nobody ever talks about Edric Dayne Lord of Starfall squire to Beric Dondarrion. That kid is the last of the Blackfyre Targaryens and I would wager body parts on it.

I actually brought this point up on another thread, but god knows where now... He seemed to me to have Valyrian blood, but someone said that the Daynes definitely didn't have Valyrian blood, and on a reread I think I came across reference proving so. Maybe. Possibly. Might have to have another reread...

But yeah, supposedly all the Blackfyre pretenders are dead, killed in the rebellion or afterwards, the last, as mentioned, by Ser Barriston (mentioned in his bio in the White Book, ASoS). But there are probably dozens of Targaryen-descended folk running around the Seven Kingdoms - chief among them Edric Storm, who traces his lineage through Robert and the Baratheons, though as Robert pointed out, they had only the slimmest connections with the Targaryens...

[jnr_turtle]

Yes, I'm quite certain that the Daynes have some Targaryen blood although like you, I'm not sure where that information came from.

Looks like a reread for me too. *sigh* Too many books, so little time.

[Raven]

George has confirmed that the Daynes have no Targaryen blood. See the entry on the Daynes in the Citadel (scroll down a bit on the page to get to the Daynes).

[Culhwch]

Yes - there was confusion in my phrasing, I meant I found a passage proving they didn't have Valyrian blood. And I'm not just saying that now I know it's true, I swear. Honest. Really. Cross my heart.

[Niolani]

Interesting that the Daynes don't have Targaryen blood but that Ashara in the tale Meera tells Bran is described as having violet or purple eyes, which we haven't heard of in any other family except Targaryens. I am not disputing anything, just commenting.