Predictions for the Lannisters

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Patchface Killa

Of course, by then Euron will probably have control of one of the dragons (which I have to say, in all the discussions of who the three heads will be no one seems to bring this up?), but whether he uses it for Dani or for himself I am not sure. I have a sneaking suspcion that he is closely associated with the Great Other (sailing all the way to Valyria to claim the horn, speaking about how he has seen hundreds of gods and none of them are real, cold blue lips, mute deck crew, etc.)

Welcome Patchface! Hope you enjoy your stay.

He may but I think GRRM has shown us that very little really goes to plan for any of the characters in the series. As for Euron's crew, my suspicion was that they are undead much like Beric and Stoneheart.

[Eulalia]

I predict that Cersei will take the veil to save herself temporarily! As for the strangling...so many possibilities.

[the smiling weirwood]

What do you mean by veil? Become a septa? I honestly don't know if the Faith would take her at this point.

[Eulalia]

Oh sorry TSW, I didn't mean to be obscure--I read a lot of history. In the middle ages is was not uncommon to dispose of inconvenient female relatives by having them to to a nunnery. As long as the were wealthy enough to afford the "dowry". But I must say, I don't know the rules or habits (smile) of the religious orders in Westeros.

Cersei's adversaries might also balk at the public execution of a dowager queen, widow, a regent, and the mother of kings. They may want to get her out of the way more stealthily.

Also, Cersei is well aware of the possibility, since she advises Falyse to join the silent sisters in a very odd interaction. She says "The silent sisters are always glad to welcome widows. Theirs is a serene life, a life of prayer and contemplation and good works."

Falyse does not follow her good advise, Cersei is unable to silence her that way, and so shei gets her drunk and then hands her over to Qyburn for experiments.

It's a tiny scene, but it would be interesting if GRRM was setting up a future event. The irony of Cersei in a nunnery would be just like him. It would also give Cersei time to live for her children to die and end up with their golden shrouds to fulfill the prophecy.

Maybe this is farfetched, but would you bet against it?

[Hilarious Joke]

Having Cersei in the Silent Sisters would remove her from the Game, and I don't think GRRM wants to do that yet. And when he does, he'll kill her. That's my prediction.

[the smiling weirwood]

I'm not ignorant of history or religion, but "taking the veil" is not a typical phrase one hears outside the Temple of Asherat-of-the-Sea from Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel's Legacy series. When a woman becomes a nun, or a man becomes a priest or a monk it is generally referred to as taking the holy orders. Besides which, neither real life nuns, nor septas, nor silent sisters wear veils. They are wear special hoods, or habits.

[Boaz]

Cersei is part Guinevere, part Margaret of Anjou, and part Mary I. She's like Guinevere in the fact that she's fabulously beautiful and married to the man who was to usher in a new golden age... and for the fact that she gave her love to her husband's sworn right hand man. She's like Margaret due to the way she's assumed the regency during civil war and kept her son alive. She's like Mary by conducting a reign of terror while oppsosing the religious fervor of her subjects.

[Charming Serpent]

She will still die by her brother. One of them. Not sure which.

Jaime I think. Twist of irony.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Cersei and part Mary I.

She's like Mary by conducting a reign of terror while oppsosing the religious fervor of her subjects.

Now, this could be somewhat subjective and it depends on which side of history you are on. The Roman Catholic side or the Protestant/Reformer side. Many say that Bloody Mary has unjustly gained that title and that she actually had little to do with the religious fervour but I am not so sure she sat idly by while her followers burned Protestants to the stake. She rode into London on the 9th day of Lady Jane Grey's rule and promised a change from her half brother's (Edward VI) and father's (Henri VIII) reigns. Thank goodness for her half sister who followed her.

I remember being told by a history teacher that history is always told from one side of a coin and we should seek the other to form a balanced view.

[Charming Serpent]

Only 200 or so people died from "Religious persecutions" during Marys' reign. Most of them were actually more of "I owe you some pain and misery for what you did to me back in the day" killings performed by her advisor/minister. I forgot his name. Funny how I just read the history of England like 3 days ago.

[TK-421]

Well other sources put it at 300, but after the first dozen or so, who's counting anymore, eh!
Mary I of England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Her Lord Chancellor was Stephen Gardiner, a catholic bishop.
Stephen Gardiner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm watching The Tudors so I am currently engrossed by this period of history. Anne Boleyn rocks!!!!!

[Boaz]

Oh for Pete's sake! Can't I just post what the masses have believed forever without having to actually bother with the facts? I'm a right good Protestant, I am.

It did not matter that Mary I had a more pacific reign than her illustrious/notorious father, the Yorks, the Lancaster, and the Angevin and Normans. In fact, Mary's may have been the least temestuous and least volitile reign of an English monarch up to that point. But that's not the point, is it? No. The way to create a positive feeling towards your candidate is by labeling the predecessor as bloody.

Oh, wait! Should I have put a smiley at the beginning of my post?

[Eulalia]

Well, TSW, my dad taught Shakespeare and my brother is "Venerable", so please forgive me a some anachronistic speech! You can always google "taking the veil" though, the awesome Jacqueline Carey got it from somewhere! Point it out if I use the words like posset or hey nonny nonny, because I might!

Exactly, Boaz, ahem, and Guinevere became an Abbess...Never thought of that connection but its a good one, Lancel and all that.

Trivia. Anne Boleyn tried to have her sentence of execution commuted to living in a nunnery. Henry was "merciful" and let his wife be decapitated rather than burned at the stake as a witch, and adulteress. She was obviously a witch because she miscarried a few times, and was sexually attractive, yet Henry had some potency problems. The adultery and incest charges were pure bull. Maybe GRRM got a few ideas from that story for Cersei. He totally raids history for ideas, in the best possible way.

I think Cersei could cause a lot of mischief in the Silent Sisters. Seems scary to me! Or maybe just when she is developing a conscience(now that is a very remote possibility), someone will off her.

TK, Elizabeth rocks too!

[Boaz]

Could Cersei avoid execution by retiring to an Abbey? Mayhaps she'd think she could use it as a new seat of power...

It's interesting that Cersei was the one who told Eddard something like "when you play the game of thrones, you either win or die." Would she expect the mercy of being allowed to live out her days as a nun? Then again, she did allow Eddard the option of taking the black...

[TK-421]

Boaz, pete's sake or not, I would challenge your notion that Mary Tudor's reign had been the least temestuous or volatile up to that point. Have you forgotten about Wyatt's Rebellion who marched an army in support of Elizabeth from Kent before being finally defeated at the gates of London.
Wyatt's rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there was that little incident with the Duke of Suffolk (Charles Brandon's son) and his daughter Lady Jane Grey.

Anyways, Mary was paranoid and couldn't trust most of her advisors.

I am a good Roman Catholic, I am but I agree Eulalia that Elizabeth rocks as well (because she is very much her mother's daughter). Now, her reign is not called the Golden Age for nothing.

Back to fantasy:
Cersei as a nun. HA!