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Vladd67 · 16th July 2008, 09:58 AM

Chav

Vladd's view of the World: 'Chav' is a weapon of class hatred and should be banned, claims think tank
Will the Scottish have to ban the word Ned then? (Ned)
I never thought of Chav being an attack on working class people, just a label for a certain type of young person or yob. For a 'progressive' and 'enlightened' group The Fabian Society do seem a little caught up with old fashioned class labels, isn't that in its own way class hatred?

Dave · 16th July 2008, 10:57 AM

I think the etymology of the word is muddled, and forever lost now. If it is used to describe someone who wears knock-off Burberry, bling and shell suits and is generally tasteless, then I don't see it as a problem. If it is used to denigrate travellers and gypsies, in a racist way, then it needs to be cut out.

Is it purely a class-based distinction? I think that's not true, whatever the Fabian Society says. There are certainly rich chavs as well as poor chavs, and there are regional differences to the use of the word. And unfortunately poverty is linked to criminality. I don't need research to know that.

The banning of words, even officially, does not stop their use though. You cannot change how people use language any more than you can stop the tide coming in. You can certainly try to change attitudes.

ktabic · 16th July 2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladd67

I never thought of Chav being an attack on working class people, just a label for a certain type of young person or yob.

I always thought they where social security scrougers (1st, 2nd and 3rd generations of), so don't qualify for the heady status of working class, but might just make it to leech on society.

PTeppic · 16th July 2008, 04:21 PM

And here was me thinking that someone wanted to ban chavs...

The Ace · 16th July 2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PTeppic

And here was me thinking that someone wanted to ban chavs...

Not a bad idea.

JDP · 17th July 2008, 11:43 AM

Hey, they were discussing this on Sky news yesterday and they showed a link from Vladd's View of the World. Go Vladd!

Ursa major · 17th July 2008, 12:45 PM

Excellent!

Well, done, Vlad!

Vladd67 · 17th July 2008, 01:01 PM

And I don't get sky

purple_kathryn · 18th July 2008, 12:32 PM

I'm working class and even I call them (ie people who don't work but wear expensive clothes etc) chavs.

It can hardly be class hatred if people in the same class think that a certain type of people are chavs.

Vladd67 · 18th July 2008, 08:53 PM

And also some of them are proud of the label

Tillane · 18th July 2008, 09:15 PM

Which is frankly terrifying...

16th July 2008, 09:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Vladd67 Stake Holder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 1,773	Ban Chav Chav Vladd's view of the World: 'Chav' is a weapon of class hatred and should be banned, claims think tank Will the Scottish have to ban the word Ned then? (Ned) I never thought of Chav being an attack on working class people, just a label for a certain type of young person or yob. For a 'progressive' and 'enlightened' group The Fabian Society do seem a little caught up with old fashioned class labels, isn't that in its own way class hatred?

16th July 2008, 10:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dave Wherever I Am, I'm There Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greater London Posts: 13,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Ban Chav I think the etymology of the word is muddled, and forever lost now. If it is used to describe someone who wears knock-off Burberry, bling and shell suits and is generally tasteless, then I don't see it as a problem. If it is used to denigrate travellers and gypsies, in a racist way, then it needs to be cut out. Is it purely a class-based distinction? I think that's not true, whatever the Fabian Society says. There are certainly rich chavs as well as poor chavs, and there are regional differences to the use of the word. And unfortunately poverty is linked to criminality. I don't need research to know that. The banning of words, even officially, does not stop their use though. You cannot change how people use language any more than you can stop the tide coming in. You can certainly try to change attitudes.

16th July 2008, 04:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
PTeppic Reetou Diplomatic Corp Join Date: May 2001 Location: North-west UK Posts: 3,802	Re: Ban Chav And here was me thinking that someone wanted to ban chavs...

17th July 2008, 11:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
JDP Never told a lie. Ever. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: UK: ENGLAND: Posts: 658	Re: Ban Chav Hey, they were discussing this on Sky news yesterday and they showed a link from Vladd's View of the World. Go Vladd!

17th July 2008, 12:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ursa major Bearly Believable Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK: ENGLAND: Posts: 12,048	Re: Ban Chav Excellent! Well, done, Vlad!

17th July 2008, 01:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vladd67 Stake Holder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 1,773	Re: Ban Chav And I don't get sky

18th July 2008, 12:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
purple_kathryn Uberly purple Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK: NORTHERN IRELAND: Posts: 576	Re: Ban Chav I'm working class and even I call them (ie people who don't work but wear expensive clothes etc) chavs. It can hardly be class hatred if people in the same class think that a certain type of people are chavs.

18th July 2008, 08:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vladd67 Stake Holder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 1,773	Re: Ban Chav And also some of them are proud of the label

18th July 2008, 09:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tillane Left-minded Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tyne and Wear Posts: 1,655	Re: Ban Chav Which is frankly terrifying...

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