Go Back   Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles: forums > Books and Writing > Publishers & Industry > Publishing

Publishing Questions and answers about the publishing industry, featuring answers from literary agents, publisher writers, and editors.

Welcome to the Science Fiction Fantasy Chronicles forums
Welcome to the chronicles network, the UK's largest - and friendliest - science fiction and fantasy forums!

If you love to read or watch science fiction and fantasy, you've come to the right place to be among like-minded people.

And we count published authors, editors, and agents among our members, so have an especially strong community of aspiring writers.

To post or reply to a topic you'll need to register - but don't worry, it's free and we don't pass on any of your details to anyone else.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 18th May 2008, 06:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 3
Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Hi, this goes to anyone who would like to throw their two cents in, but I'm interested in hearing back from someone in the industry;

Is there a market currently out there for books with main characters who are gay? I'm not talking about romance novel stuff, but all the books I tend to read always have a lot of action and fiction stuff and usually some form of heterosexual love interest. Now, I've been out of the loop for a while so there may be a pocket of books somewhere with gay characters, but I'm just wondering what the industry standpoint on this is. Would it be possible to publish a book with a main character who was gay in the sci-fi fantasy genre? Or would no publisher/agent touch such a thing?

Thanks for your time.
Reden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 06:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
...Prepare Thyself
 
TheEndIsNigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Greater Manchester
Posts: 2,470
Blog Entries: 3
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Not in the business however, I can't see why not. The only thing I can think of is Torchwood, which I think this is not particularly good, so it could be an interesting first.
TheEndIsNigh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 09:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
John Jarrold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 1,175
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

There are plenty of gay characters in both SF and Fantasy fiction published over the past twenty years and more. No problem at all.
John Jarrold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 09:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 3
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Jarrold View Post
There are plenty of gay characters in both SF and Fantasy fiction published over the past twenty years and more. No problem at all.
Thank you for your response. I know there are gay characters, but are they main characters? I've just never come across a book with a main character that had a relationship like that. Sorry to question your statement, I just wanted to double check.
Reden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 09:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
daisybee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK: ENGLAND:
Posts: 523
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Hi-I read a book a while ago, (the title escapes me, I'll try and find it) where the main character was female, and bi-sexual. Not a lot was made of it, it wasn't full of romantic asides or anything, but it was definitely a key factor in the books ending, and well handled I thought.

So, if the books good, I'm guessing sexual orientation of characters is not something that will turn off a publisher.
daisybee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 09:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
John Jarrold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 1,175
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reden View Post
Thank you for your response. I know there are gay characters, but are they main characters? I've just never come across a book with a main character that had a relationship like that. Sorry to question your statement, I just wanted to double check.
Yes, I published fantasy novels by Mark Anthony at Simon & Schuster in London with a gay protagonist (I believe Bantam published them in the US). This was seven or eight years ago. There are certainly others.
John Jarrold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 10:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
Cogito ergo doleo...
 
pyan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southampton
Posts: 7,915
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Vanyel, in Mercedes Lackey's Magic's Price is a gay main character...and so are Richard St. Vier and Alec in Swordspoint by Ellen Kushner.


This may interest you:

Wikipedia: Gay science fiction.
pyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 03:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
Unregistered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 143
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

I was just going to bring up the Magic's Price series. Good books.
Havlen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 05:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
הדרךקפיצת
 
Omphalos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Posts: 785
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

It seems to me that homosexuality is used one of two or three ways by authors. First off, gay characters are often inserted as a way for an author to show that the culture he is describing has evolved and is futuristic. I suppose that works, as in the real world homosexuality has become more and more visible as time goes on, so we associate increased frequency and visibility of homosexuals, as well as relaxation of prejudices against them, with the passage of time. This can of course be used to also show a liberalization of the subject society, which in many cases is meant (and interpreted) as a characteristic of social evolution.

Homosexuality is also used to show evolution from a physical standpoint too, and has some post-human aspects to it too. A prime example of this is John Varley's The Ophiuchi Hotline, where body parts including genitals can be switched with such ease that the homosexual/heterosexual distinction really fails to mean anything.

Homosexuality can also be used as a tactic, or a stopgap in SF. For example, in The Forever War the population had ballooned on Earth because of the war, as people were not able to immigrate to more than one or two of the numerous colony worlds that had been found because of military action. In order to control population, the society selected homosexuality as a way to control the numbers of babies being produced. I think Burgess did this in The Wanting Seed too, and there have been others.

As far as main characters go, A few online friends and I once put a list together, but that forum is now dead, and Ill be damned if I can recall any of them. I think we came up with Baron Harkonnen from Dune (who was a pederast too, and not very sympathetic). Now that I think about it, I dont think that we came across any that were not on that Wiki list. BTW, that page has come a long way. One year ago it was mostly erotica and romance books with a SF bent to them. Now its lists real genre books.

Has anyone read Pangborn's Davy? I read that book decades ago, and IIRC the main character in that one was gay. But its been so long......I think that I may be confusing this book with another.
Omphalos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 07:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
murphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,643
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reden View Post
Thank you for your response. I know there are gay characters, but are they main characters? I've just never come across a book with a main character that had a relationship like that. Sorry to question your statement, I just wanted to double check.
Mercedes Lackey--- Magic's Pawn, Magic's Promise & Magic's Price
Main character is gay. Very popular books

Melissa Scott---Trouble and Her Friends

Gael Baudino
murphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th May 2008, 07:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 3
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Thank you all for your answers, you have all been exceptionally helpful =)
Reden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2008, 07:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 15
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Thomas (and his many incarnations) in Hal Duncan's Vellum is certainly gay.

I've not read it as it hasn't been published yet, but early word is that Richard Morgan's The Steel Remains has a gay protagonist.
Anatedhrai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th May 2008, 09:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Karen Dales's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 24
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Here's another one...Ricardo Pinto's "Stone Dance of the Chameleon" trilogy (the third book is going to be published next year I believe). The main character is gay.
Karen Dales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th May 2008, 11:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
murphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: California
Posts: 1,643
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by murphy View Post
Mercedes Lackey--- Magic's Pawn, Magic's Promise & Magic's Price
Main character is gay. Very popular books

Melissa Scott---Trouble and Her Friends

Gael Baudino
The Gael Baudino book is called The Gossamer Axe. I couldn't think of the title when I first posted. It's about fighting off the sidhe by playing heavy metal rock & roll music on her guitar (axe).
murphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th May 2008, 08:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 11
Re: Sci-Fi/Fantasy: Gay characters?

I'm involved in a local TV show that constantly hintsthat the lead character might be Gay..ala some of the moments with the modern Doctor.
Personnally I feel that too many books and films focus on the sexuality aspect of a character who is gay. I hate it when any titilating scene is forced upon me because someone gets cheap with the main plot... just my 2 cents
sdoidge is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.