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Old 4th May 2008, 03:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

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I think I read on wikipedia (so not exactly guaranteed to be true) that Timelords are infertile, and that they grow (or grew, post-Time War) new people through a kind of genetic loom.
Thats seems like an extremely unlikely way to evolve...
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Old 4th May 2008, 03:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Yes, it wasn't their initial method of reproduction, they were all rendered infertile and had to invent a new way to propagate.

AFter some searching, found this:
" In later New Adventures we are introduced to the concept of the genetic Looms, from which new Time Lords were created."

from Rassilon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure there was something else about Omega and the Other, but can't seem to find it.


Think this is it:
"When the Pythia was overthrown, she laid a final curse on Gallifrey that made the population sterile. To ensure the continuation of their race, Rassilon created the Looms, machines that would "weave" new Gallifreyans out of extant genetic material."

From Other (Doctor Who) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

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Think this is it:"When the Pythia was overthrown, she laid a final curse on Gallifrey that made the population sterile. To ensure the continuation of their race, Rassilon created the Looms, machines that would "weave" new Gallifreyans out of extant genetic material."

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Yes this is what I remember from the Virgin novel Lungbarrow, which actually describes the weaving of the Doctor... or perhaps if I remember more rightly (it's a long time ago since I read the book and it's harder and harder to get hold of a copy - I was dumb enough to give mine away) it suggests that there was something more special about the Doctor's weaving - almost as though his genetic pattern was not new, that a living being became part of the weave altering the template...

Just discovered there is an online version of the novel at:

BBC - Doctor Who - Classic Series Ebooks - The Sands of Time

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Old 4th May 2008, 04:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Out of all the possibilities with the infinite space, parallel universes and the time-machine. controlled by almost immortal time-lord, there must be a multiple ways for nature to take a course. Face of Bo made a reference to the Master, so why not a daughter? Who knows where the Doctor goes on his 'lonely' trips through the space and time? There are so many places where to land Tardis, and get on with the urges.

However, as you have said that the race member were made by a machine, then doesn't that take out the possibility of one having a daughter?
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Old 4th May 2008, 04:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Not sure whether this warrants spoiler warnings, given what I've already put and that it's canon status is dubious at best, but the following may contain spoilers for the Doctor's identity:




When Pythia, the cult priestess who used to rule Gallifrey, was overthrown she cursed the Time Lords so they became infertile. A triumvirate (Rassilon, a la the Five Doctors, Omega and the Other (name lost to time)) overthrew her. Omega was thought to be killed in creating the black hole that is the source of Timelord power, and Rassilon became a dictator. The Other knew his days were numbered and threw himself into a genetic loom. Eventually, it is surmised, his genetic parts were reweaved into the Doctor, and the Other's daughter, Susan, recognised him as 'grandfather'.

Simple.

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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

He has always seemed to be slightly different from the other Time Lords, breaking the rules when it suited him etc. Though in this case it's an almost Time-Lordian ability to recall the TARDIS, a la "Five Doctors"???
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And - does that make her a Time Lord? Or should I say Time Lady?
I don't think there's such a thing as a Time Lady, SS... Romanadvoratrelundar, as played by Mary Tamm/Lalla Ward, was always referred to as a female Time Lord, as was the Rani (Kate O'Mara).
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Old 5th May 2008, 08:15 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Kate O'Mara - now she was good! (Wonder how many remember her py!)
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Kate O'Mara - now she was good! (Wonder how many remember her py!)
Remember Triangle though, SS...
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Of course all this talk about the Doctors history is pointless as the writers will probably just change it and come up with a new history as they did with the Cybermen.
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

I'm under the impression that NewWho cybermen are actually from a parallel universe, as OldWho cybermen were (I think) destroyed by the Silver Nemesis. So they added to the backstory but didn't change what was there previously.
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Well despite the fact UNIT defeated them in London originally no one seemed to know who they were.
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Re: DISCUSSION - 30.06: The Doctor's Daughter (Trailer)

Oh yeah. Too young to have seen it, but I had the book of that one.

Be interesting to see if Lethbridge-Stewart does make a return. Not even sure if he's still alive.
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Looks like the Brigadier is alive and well
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Couldn't his daughter be Susan's mother, but before she gave birth to her?

I wonder if Rose is the mother..
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