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Old 2nd May 2008, 11:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Never Go Back

Novels I thought were great but were useless when re-read years later.
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Little Fuzzy - H Beam Piper

The Wanderer - Fritz Leiber

A Scanner Darkly - Philip Dick

Anyone else go back somewhere they really shouldn't have?
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Old 7th May 2008, 07:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You have time to re-read books!

Theres a few I wish I hadn't read the first time round, but with an ever growing pile of about 70 books to read, I just don't have time for any re-reads.

I'm afraid to say "Shadowmancer", and should I say it "The Dark Materials" are on my scrap pile. Both were way to dark for my inner child to cope with. LOL


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Old 7th May 2008, 07:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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To each his own PB, I didn't think much of them either.

As for re-reads, it has to be Sven Hassel, great during my nihilistic teenage years, over-gory and cynical now.
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Old 8th May 2008, 02:57 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The Anything Of Shannara... I read the first 7 books of the series in high school and college (the first time I was at college) and loved them, but hadn't had much exposure to fantasy before and have since then, and in all of the more recent context the Shannara books have lost their uniqueness to me.

We All Died At Breakaway Station... a little-known novel by little-known author Richard C. Meredith. My father had a large science fiction book collection which I only ever read a few of, and this is one of them. It's a great "desperate last stand against horrendous odds to hold out for one tiny but important success before losing everything" story. But that story is only novella length; it got puffed up into a novel by the addition of filler scenes that weren't really related to it, and most of those were porn scenes that seemed to have been written by someone about 12 years old. Getting past the junk was just too much work.
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Old 8th May 2008, 03:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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For me it's Feist. Midkemia was my introduction to fantasy, but when I went back to revisit the books they just seemed so ordinary compared with everything that has come since...
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Old 8th May 2008, 04:39 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Never Go Back

I've got to admit, this has never been much of a problem for me; in fact, I'm not sure I've ever quite had it happen. I may find a work doesn't hold up as well, but I don't ever recall having one so thoroughly disappoint me that I regretted revisiting it. Generally, I find that, with my shift in experience and approach, I find other levels on which to appreciate it, rather than the reverse. I don't know whether this means I'm extremely lucky in the books I read, or whether the critical judgment I've developed over the years is completely at fault (though, to be honest, I seriously doubt the latter), but whatever it is, I'm rather glad this has proven to be the case....
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Old 8th May 2008, 10:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have never reread a book so



I plan to reread Count of Monte Cristo and The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy so i will see in a week or two if its true to never go back to your old favorits.
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Old 8th May 2008, 10:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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A lot of folk have similar feelings about films they re-watch. Fact is - neither the film nor book has changed - it's the person's perspective through the march of time that has moved on.

When re-reading (or re-watching) I try to look through the same eyes I did all those years ago (although, admittedly, I'm getting very close to needing glasses)
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Old 9th May 2008, 08:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I've had this problem from time to time. The worst experience was with "Citizen of the Galaxy" by Heinlein. I first read it serialized 50 years ago and recently found a copy in a used book store. I bought and reread it.

The first time I read it I was really impressed with the different cultures that were explored as well as the message of the story.

This time though, the cultures were not so strange, and the message was a little trite.

This isn't the fault of the book, but the time I have had to live, observe, and think about society.

The adverse can also be true, books I disliked as a teen, now seem to be very insightful. Reading the Bible, especially "Job" for example. Why that is, is for another post.
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Old 9th May 2008, 08:24 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Stranger in a Strange Land. What can I say? As a spotty kid I thought it was great. As a crusty adult it just makes me cringe.
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Old 9th May 2008, 10:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Heinlein seems to attract such a loyal following and such acclaim. I read a lot of his stuff in my teens but just don't dare go back now. I lost patience with him when I read 'The Day After Tomorrow' which was so racist that I think it would be unpublishable nowadays. I thought 'Glory Road' was a good read (but in hindsight very sexist and I seem to remember contained a rant about taxation in America) and I remember reading 'Stranger in a Strange Land' and being impressed but remember practically nothing about the book itself.

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Does anyone remember who wrote 'The Iron Dream'? It was a lampoon novel which was supposed to have been written by Adolph Hitler.
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Old 9th May 2008, 10:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, after 'Mein Kampf,' I went off Hitler as a writer. I think he should've read a few books before he decided to write one.
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Old 9th May 2008, 10:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Okay, I just Wiki'ed it. It was Norman Spinrad (I should have guessed). Remember 'The Steam Driven Boy' and the short story supposedly written by JG Ballard about the world sublimating to Iodine.

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No need for apologies, yngvi - real RAH fans love the books for the story-telling, and appreciate they were written when some of the ideas expressed were not unusual .
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Old 9th May 2008, 11:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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One of Heinlein's big few claims to fame was how much he worked against racism, being among the first authors to include sympathizable minorities and minority protagonists, and he didn't just do it once but made a point of doing it repeatedly and explicitly, deliberately and pointedly projecting racism as being very stupid and ignorant. I don't get how your impression could be so thoroughly the opposite of what everyone else considers fact.

When it comes to sex, he's not known for sexism or for working so hard against it; the main Heinleinism on that issue is that he advocated sexual "liberation" and presented various taboo sexual ideas and behaviors out in the open without disdain or condemnation, although not necessarily always particularly positive either.
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