2.13: Exit Wounds

[Lenny]

It's only two characters.

I don't know why, but I've become more attached to the Torchwood actors than the Doctor Who ones. Yeah, I'll be sad when Tenant goes, but you expect that. It might be because Torchwood employees are human (well, four fifths of them are), and that the Doctor will return... I don't know.

[pyan]

Originally Posted by Lucien21

They couldn't afford him in a million years.

He's too much of a big name to do it full time. He will probably be in a big US tv show (he's already reprising his role in Smallville at the moment.)

I think you may be overestimating his success, Lucien: I mean, apart from Buffy/Angel, there's not much else that he's been in that is memorable, and he might just decide that TW is just what he wants.

James_Marsters

[Vladd67]

Here is a list of James Marsters career

[Dr.Jackson]

Wow! I have to agree that I did not see the deaths coming - very emotionally charged scenes, superbly acted. You can see why they could only do one take, especially when you take into account that Eve burst into tears just reading it.
Sad to see Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori go, although I couldn't see them having much more they could do with Owen, but I thought that Tosh had more to explore.

I'm glad that they did tie up the loose ends, puting Owens' 'King of the Weevils' trick to good use, explaining Tosh and the 'space-pig' from Who.
As has been pointed out, there are a few points, such as Jack having immortal clothes and sanity, that didn't mesh for me, but as a whole, I thought the episode was the best they have done so far. I just hope that they explore the effect that the deaths of close friends and team members has in the long term on the team, I don't feel it would be right to gloss over it next series as if they would be missed in a 'moved away' kind of way.

[PTeppic]

Originally Posted by Dr.Jackson

explaining Tosh and the 'space-pig' from Who

Oh - did I miss that?

[Dr.Jackson]

explaining Tosh and the 'space-pig' from Who

Originally Posted by PTeppic

Oh - did I miss that?

In the episode 'Aliens of London' from series 1, Tosh is supposed to be examining the porcine pilot that the Slitheen have set up as a hoax alien. She's only in it for a couple of minutes.

[Lenny]

Methinks he missed the explanation of Tosh in DW, actually.

The explanation, PT, was that in her second week at TW, Owen had a hangover and was unreachable, so she was sent down to London to act as a medic.

[The Ace]

Am I the only one glad to see the back of Owen ?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by The Ace

Am I the only one glad to see the back of Owen?

It depends who he is replaced with really. I still think there was much undeveloped potential in an undead character if they had done it from a hard-sf point of view rather than fantasy. I'm assuming that the actors wished to leave the series. I also think that if they could have drawn Tosh and Owen more along the lines they did in 'Fragments' then they might have had second thoughts about going.

This episode was certainly one of the best, but I wouldn't rate it as high as others have, and compared to Doctor Who or American imports it is still sorely lacking. As well as all the plot holes already mentioned in this thread, I don't understand why Greg would hold such a long standing grievance for his brother. Jack, I can understand feeling guilty; Greg's safety was left to him and he failed in his responsibility. The fault wasn't with Jack but with his parents. He wasn't ready to be given such a responsibility and clearly wasn't up to it. However, the young Greg would not understand any of that. All he would know was that his parents, and his brother all left him behind. If he had any grievance then surely it would be with his adult parents not his brother.

Consequently, the whole 'why is John doing this' didn't ring true either. I would have found it much more likely for John to be driving this because he seems quite unbalanced anyway. He already tried to kill Jack before when he threw him off a building, without anyone forcing him to do it.

[Lenny]

You're doing it again. "Grey", not "Greg".

[Dave]

Sorry, Grey!

Do you think that Captain John was maybe under the influence of Grey when he first appeared? He had a 'bigger than usual' 'wrist-strap' then. I guess that would go someway to explaining things, but it wasn't spelled out very clearly.

[Ursa major]

Originally Posted by Dave

Sorry, Grey!

Do you think that Captain John was maybe under the influence of Grey when he first appeared?

Perhaps, though my recollections of that episode are not good enough to give you a definite yes or no. But it would make sense for Grey to have first done a reconnaissance mission.

[pyan]

Originally Posted by Dave

All he would know was that his parents, and his brother all left him behind. If he had any grievance then surely it would be with his adult parents not his brother.

But his parents aren't there...Jack is.

[PTeppic]

Originally Posted by Dave

All he would know was that his parents, and his brother all left him behind. If he had any grievance then surely it would be with his adult parents not his brother.

But it was his brother who stopped holding his hand and ran away...

[High Eight]

Originally Posted by The Ace

Am I the only one glad to see the back of Owen ?

Nope. I was glad to see the back of the weasel-man too. Ianto the non-actor next, please (he non-acted as if his life depended on it in this episode. I mean, even the Barrowman pulled out all the stops and managed to push his gamut into the low c's.....)