GRRM reads new Jon chapter

[Werthead]

This is the second Jon chapter from ADWD and has been substantially rewritten from its prior incarnation that GRRM read a few years ago. I think it's safe to say it was worth it

Obviously, very massive SPOILERS.

[KiwiBird]

Time to Read

[TK-421]

Siggghhhh, Jon, Jon, Jon...


But the comment at the end about of my favourite characters gave me a huge boost.

[Young stormlord]

I know why Jon didn't use sword.
Spoilers->
He hanged Slynt by legs with a hundred foot long rope because of Slynt's words in Asos (just before Jon goes to parley wit Mance)
“Still,” Slynt said, “I will not have it said that Janos Slynt hanged a man unjustly. I will not. I have decided to give you one last chance to prove you are as loyal as you claim, Lord Snow. One last chance to do your duty, yes!” He stood. “Mance Rayder wants to parley with us. He knows he has no chance now that Janos Slynt has come, so he wants to talk, this King-beyond-the-Wall. But the man is craven, and will not come to us. No doubt he knows I’d hang him. Hang him by his feet from the top of the Wall, on a rope two hundred feet long! But he will not come. He asks that we send an envoy to him.”

[Boaz]

YS, your post is not quite invisible.

I'm going to resist reading. I want to wait until the book. Of course that's completely unrealistic... I hope I can wait a week at least.

Edit: Okay... I waited all of ten minutes before reading it. So sue me!

ALERT!

The rest of my post will contain major spoilers... Beware!

This is your final caveat... I will not make the text invisible... spoilers will be rampant.



Kill the boy. My first thought was that Jon needs to mature quickly in his decision making. He's crossed his rubicon, there are no room for delusions and fancies. So Jon desires that both he and Sam grow up. The apostle Paul wrote to the effect of maturity... When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

But after Jon's rememberance of Bran and Tommen yet before the explanation from Aemon, I thought mayhaps kill the boy meant kill Tommen or I thought mayhaps it meant that Jon was privy to Cersei's plan to kill him.

Anyway it seems that Jon knows that as much as he writes to the Iron Throne or professes neutrality he will not ever be at peace with the Lannisters. Just as Stannis is in a death struggle with Tommen, Jon will have to outlive Cersei to cease hostilities with House Lannister.

I wondered about the method of Janos' execution. Yet upon reading YS' explanation it makes perfect sense. Janos and Alliser and their supporters learned first hand that Jon's memory, decisiveness, and power are precise. Janos threatened Jon with hanging. Jon hung Janos.

I'm not an expert in capital punishment. I know that during a hanging the neck must be broken from the fall or the condemned will slowly suffocate. The distance for the fall depends upon the weight of the condemned. I'm not sure but I think the distance is between three to five feet. There was an instance in the American Old West where a bandit was dropped from ten feet or more and the suddeness of the stop decapitated him. I'm certain a drop of 100 feet would decapitate Janos Slynt.

But I'm not sorry to see that slimy, ferret faced, back stabbing toad die.

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by Boaz

YS, your post is not quite invisible.

I'm going to resist reading. I want to wait until the book. Of course that's completely unrealistic... I hope I can wait a week at least.

That can only mean one thing: I need to buy new screen. Damn!

[Boaz]

Are you poking fun at my verbosity, my superfluity of words, my loquaciousness, my garrulousness, my effusion of prose, the continuance of my verbiage, or my long windedness?

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I think we would be making fun of your thesaurus. He worked overtime on that post.

[Wiggum]

I've read several of these things over the years, this is the first time where a moderator had to go back and spell the name properly.

It was spelled throughout as Slynth when I first read it.

If there ever was a time that I wished I hadn't read someone's recap of a reading, this was it.

Jon is in his office/solar thing

Wiggum plucks out eyeball, shoves in ear, then eats a rock.

[Boaz]

Egg, Shut yer trap. It's like you know all my tricks. I use dictionary.reference.com and thesaurus.reference.com every day. My verbal skills have only decreased in the years since I prepped for the SAT. Okay, so any time that I use words longer than four letters you'll know I checked my online thesaurus.

Wiggum, I was planning on cutting that poster some slack on spelling and language since I also <ahem> get creative sometimes. But since you started... Aliser, Gilley, Giley, cornies, Janos says some stupid ass ****... and Everybody in the hall is like 'oh ****.' And you say it was already edited by a mod?

I'm glad I'm perfect.

I wish I knew more of Mel's reaction to the events in this chapter. Didn't she close Jon's last chapter by saying, "You know nothing, Jon Snow"?

[Werthead]

I think we can take it as read that the GRRM prose-version of the chapter will be better

[Wiggum]

It doesn't do me any good.

Seeing as how I'm now half blind, half deaf and without teeth.

I'm off to tip a cow out of pure spite.

[Wiggum]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Wiggum, I was planning on cutting that poster some slack on spelling and language since I also <ahem> get creative sometimes. But since you started... Aliser, Gilley, Giley, cornies, Janos says some stupid ass ****... and Everybody in the hall is like 'oh ****.' And you say it was already edited by a mod?

Lol, yes I'm saying it was edited, just not to the level of perfection that you and I hold our own selves to.

And let me just say, me typing this with my second eyeball in my other ear is a feat beyond measure.

Not only am I really dizzy, I also can't see. Praise be to highschool typing class. On typewriters no less.

It was an interesting bit, but I guess I disagree with the intrepretation of the "kill the boy" line.

I really think that's going to go back to Melisandre and her detemination to kill an offspring of Robert's bloodline for the waking of the dragon. Jon's going to have to make a choice, one Davos has made before, and I'm guessing he ends up on a side of it that will surprise us all.

And he will be the sword in the darkness, he will make a moral choice that he hates, sacrifice the blood of a child in order to hold off the initial onslaught of the Others on the Wall.

Just my two cents.

I'm prolly wrong, but I love the idea

[Young stormlord]

Originally Posted by Boaz

Are you poking fun at my verbosity, my superfluity of words, my loquaciousness, my garrulousness, my effusion of prose, the continuance of my verbiage, or my long windedness?

I have replied before you edited your post, Big B.

Werth, I can almost imagine how it would look like.
“Still,” Jon said, “I will not have it said that lord commander hanged a man unjustly. I will not. I have decided to give you one last chance do your duty."
Janos: Screw you, bastard.
Jon *nodds*
Janos *screams than cracks*.

And, KiwiBird, thanks for giving me credit, it means a lot. I registered but I still can't post on westeros.org forum.

[Apopas]

Originally Posted by Boaz

I'm not an expert in capital punishment. I know that during a hanging the neck must be broken from the fall or the condemned will slowly suffocate. The distance for the fall depends upon the weight of the condemned. I'm not sure but I think the distance is between three to five feet. There was an instance in the American Old West where a bandit was dropped from ten feet or more and the suddeness of the stop decapitated him. I'm certain a drop of 100 feet would decapitate Janos Slynt.

But I'm not sorry to see that slimy, ferret faced, back stabbing toad die.

True, but to be decapitated his neck should crack at first place, so what's the problem?