Renly Baratheon

[Boaz]

Sorry, Shack. The only posters I seem to miss are Wert (for his inside info), Raven (for his logic), and Aegon (for his humor). But now that you mention it... I missed you terribly.

Melisandre told Davos that shadows are creatures of light... if there were no light, then shadows would not exist. It seems that this is true, yet the shadow is still composed of darkness or "unlight", if you will. I think Mel is trying to say that the end justifies the means... but this is exactly what pre-Mel-Stannis stood against. The end never justified the means... this is why he cut off Davos' fingers.

Stannis may be comparable to Theoden in their circumstances. Both are kings in despairing in troubling times. Both have leaned upon a powerful magician (or magician's advocate) in Mel and Saruman. Both have physically and psychologically succumbed to the influences of the magician... to the point of behaving in an opposite manner from before the influence began. Eomer and Davos both proved loyal to the king and hostile to his councillors... both were imprisoned. Theoden needed Gandalf to free him from his psychological bondage and physical addiction to Saruman and Grima. Who will be Stannis' Gandalf?

[Charming Serpent]

Jon Snow perhaps, but lets not forget that Stannis saw a vision in one of the nightfires where he saw himself burning. He might have witnessed his own demise.

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by devilsgrin

thats exactly my thought Charming Serpent. Mel must have realised by now that she picked the wrong person to be the Lightbringer, and is probably too proud to admit it and will do everything she can to fit Stannis into the persona. At the very least until she sees who it really is... and much as i'm no big fan of either (indeed i've often listed Dany as one of my most loathed characters), i believe the Lightbringer to be either Jon or Dany.

That is the principal reason why I believe Mel will kill Stannis.