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Animusman · 15th February 2008, 02:41 AM

I have a theory that at the end of ASOIAF that Dany and Jon Snow will be the king and queen of the seven kingdoms. When know that it will be dany that takes away everything cersi holds dear. I feel jon snow has a greater destiny than being commander of the Night's Watch.

viZion · 15th February 2008, 04:56 AM

If this happened it would be a pretty happy ending. I don't think we're going to get a perfect storybook happy ending in this series. I believe the "bad guys" (Lannisters) will still have a lot of power in the end. The real enemy in the series is probably The Others. I can see them being destroyed by the end. I just don't think the overall politcal situation will be resolved quite so neatly.

lauren20062001 · 15th February 2008, 06:05 AM

I don't see Dany and Jon being married as a happy ending. I don't think they'd mesh well in marriage. Jon would probably be completely dominated, or they'd constantly fight. A storybook ending would be two people marrying for love, and I think theirs would be more political than anything else.

Lady of Winterfell · 15th February 2008, 11:52 PM

I agree with Lauren. If they ended up together, I think it wouldn't be for love. To me they don't seem like they would make a loving couple. I don't think their personalities go together. Whether or not it will actually happen, we will have to wait and see.

viZion · 16th February 2008, 02:17 AM

I actually didn't mean happy in the sense that they love each other and live happily ever after as the greatest rulers the world has ever known. I meant that for them to end up together ruling together means that everything else is neatly resolved and basically everything is copacetic from top to bottom. The good guys win, the bad guys lose. Targaryens and Starks (the "good guys) win and Lannisters (the "bad guys") end up as cooks and chambermaids. Nah, too easy. It's going to be an ending which doesn't satisfy everyone in that even the characters you hate most won't end up completely defeated and tidily put out to pasture.

TomServo · 16th February 2008, 04:56 AM

While I agree that it will not end in the fairy tale manner, it makes sense that Dany and Jon would at least end up on the same side even if its nothing more than that. I would also be willing to bet that Tyrion will be the mechanism behind it.

Shacklock · 17th February 2008, 05:19 PM

Hmh but dident GRRM say it WOULD'NT be a happy ending?

TK-421 · 20th February 2008, 08:43 PM

A bastard will inherit the Iron Throne.

Fourth Hunter · 20th February 2008, 09:46 PM

Yes, but which one? Will Dany and Jon fight it out? Will it be Tommen? All contenders are bastards...TK you're right, but by default. Much of GRRM's work thus far has empowered bastards...he's raised Jon to a level that many highborn boys his age would not have been able to come close to obtaining.

the smiling weirwood · 21st February 2008, 12:49 AM

TK is just trying to be opaque and oracular, I wouldn't put much stock in it.

A bastard would have great difficulty holding the throne precisely because they *can't* inherit anything, not legally.

TK-421 · 21st February 2008, 02:18 AM

That's me, Mr. Clear as Mud of the debate team.

I will add that Dany is a contender, yet not a bastard. Neither is Stannis.

DeannaBelle · 21st February 2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Animusman

I have a theory that at the end of ASOIAF that Dany and Jon Snow will be the king and queen of the seven kingdoms. When know that it will be dany that takes away everything cersi holds dear. I feel jon snow has a greater destiny than being commander of the Night's Watch.

Okay, whenever I read this, it sounds like prom king and queen at a high school dance or soemthing.

I believe that Jon may be one of the three heads. But I'm not sure if he will necessarily reign as king. If the wall is destroyed and gods and lands of Ice and Fire untie, then yes, Jon will be king. Otherwise, his place is at the wall.

Unless (and this is ridiculous) he becomes the King of the Wall.

Werthead · 22nd February 2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shacklock

Hmh but dident GRRM say it WOULD'NT be a happy ending?

He said it would be a 'bittersweet' ending.

I highly suggest reading some of GRRM's other fiction to see how he handles endings. I think Dying of the Light and Fevre Dream are good indications of how ASoIaF is going to end. Oddly, The Armgeddon Rag probably has GRRM's 'happiest' ending but even that is quite messy and not entirely clear-cut.

Fourth Hunter · 22nd February 2008, 01:32 AM

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that the incest was within a marriage....stupid, stupid me...oh well

TK-421 · 22nd February 2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeannaBelle

Unless (and this is ridiculous) he becomes the King of the Wall.

You mean, King beyond the Wall, replacing Mance?

15th February 2008, 02:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
Animusman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 13	Jon and Dany I have a theory that at the end of ASOIAF that Dany and Jon Snow will be the king and queen of the seven kingdoms. When know that it will be dany that takes away everything cersi holds dear. I feel jon snow has a greater destiny than being commander of the Night's Watch.

15th February 2008, 04:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
viZion Vote "No" on Baby Aegon! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 289	Re: Jon and Dany If this happened it would be a pretty happy ending. I don't think we're going to get a perfect storybook happy ending in this series. I believe the "bad guys" (Lannisters) will still have a lot of power in the end. The real enemy in the series is probably The Others. I can see them being destroyed by the end. I just don't think the overall politcal situation will be resolved quite so neatly.

15th February 2008, 06:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
lauren20062001 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 78	Re: Jon and Dany I don't see Dany and Jon being married as a happy ending. I don't think they'd mesh well in marriage. Jon would probably be completely dominated, or they'd constantly fight. A storybook ending would be two people marrying for love, and I think theirs would be more political than anything else.

15th February 2008, 11:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lady of Winterfell Football is Coming! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 532	Re: Jon and Dany I agree with Lauren. If they ended up together, I think it wouldn't be for love. To me they don't seem like they would make a loving couple. I don't think their personalities go together. Whether or not it will actually happen, we will have to wait and see.

16th February 2008, 02:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
viZion Vote "No" on Baby Aegon! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 289	Re: Jon and Dany I actually didn't mean happy in the sense that they love each other and live happily ever after as the greatest rulers the world has ever known. I meant that for them to end up together ruling together means that everything else is neatly resolved and basically everything is copacetic from top to bottom. The good guys win, the bad guys lose. Targaryens and Starks (the "good guys) win and Lannisters (the "bad guys") end up as cooks and chambermaids. Nah, too easy. It's going to be an ending which doesn't satisfy everyone in that even the characters you hate most won't end up completely defeated and tidily put out to pasture.

16th February 2008, 04:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
TomServo Rowesdower saves us Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 95	Re: Jon and Dany While I agree that it will not end in the fairy tale manner, it makes sense that Dany and Jon would at least end up on the same side even if its nothing more than that. I would also be willing to bet that Tyrion will be the mechanism behind it.

17th February 2008, 05:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shacklock The Reeeeet Demon! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 125	Re: Jon and Dany Hmh but dident GRRM say it WOULD'NT be a happy ending?

20th February 2008, 08:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,631	Re: Jon and Dany A bastard will inherit the Iron Throne.

20th February 2008, 09:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fourth Hunter Searching for Sanity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA: Posts: 108	Re: Jon and Dany Yes, but which one? Will Dany and Jon fight it out? Will it be Tommen? All contenders are bastards...TK you're right, but by default. Much of GRRM's work thus far has empowered bastards...he's raised Jon to a level that many highborn boys his age would not have been able to come close to obtaining.

21st February 2008, 12:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
the smiling weirwood the godswood is me Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,167	Re: Jon and Dany TK is just trying to be opaque and oracular, I wouldn't put much stock in it. A bastard would have great difficulty holding the throne precisely because they can't inherit anything, not legally.

21st February 2008, 02:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
TK-421 I Do Not Sow Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,631	Re: Jon and Dany That's me, Mr. Clear as Mud of the debate team. I will add that Dany is a contender, yet not a bastard. Neither is Stannis.

22nd February 2008, 01:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
Fourth Hunter Searching for Sanity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA: Posts: 108	Re: Jon and Dany Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that the incest was within a marriage....stupid, stupid me...oh well

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