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| Lemming of Discord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: United Kingdom
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| The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell My take on The Warlord Chronicles series by Bernard 'Sharpe' Cornwell. And yes, it is fantasy, for all of its 'realistic' trappings, there is at least one act of pure OTT magic that firmly places it in-genre. Quote:
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| Queenslander! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Queensland
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell I've moved this to Reviews... I'm a huge fan of these novels, and truly they are what got me into fantasy in the first place. I'll very enthusiastically second the recommendation. Quote:
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell On what evidence? To be honest that thought never occured to me - I think it instead showed the genuine affection that Igraine developed for Derfel and his story, despite the fact it didn't meet her expectations. It seems to me Cornwell intended these books as a lost text found, rather than an original text altered. That the tales were already warped is probably the point here - they are the source of the literature to follow, not Derfel's text. Instead perhaps it was put aside, dismissed as the ramblings of an old man, or else dismissed as not exciting or mythical enough... |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell I hope this is a good series. I have got Winter King from the library. I enjoy any good historical Fiction/Historical Fantasy. I was far from impressed by the way he told the story in The Last Kingdom. |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell These books are far superior to any he's subsequently written, I think. The series about the archer was a big letdown for me, and while the new books are good, they have never reached the heights of the Warlord Chronicles... |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Reading Winter King i see clearly it is alot better than Last Kingdom. The first person POV isnt as annoying,bad as in LK. I wonder though why he must keep writing Historical Fiction in First person. Third person has been proven to be perfect for stories in this genre. Its not really good foreshadowing what will happen in a historical fiction. It spoils alteast half the fun. Also i have read almost 100 pages, i think sometimes is this book even about King Arthur cause i havent seen him :P |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell It is about Arthur, but it's more about Derfel, and Arthur's Britain, I think. Certainly Arthur is a major character, but Derfel is the heart of the story. Though generally I'm not drawn to it I like the first person in this instance; written in the third person this seies would have far less of an impact. It would be a totally different book. And actually I think the majority of his work isn't first-person, though I could be wrong. Certainly the archer series wasn't, nor the Starbuck books, and though I haven't read them I have a sneaking suspicion the extensive Sharpe series isn't either. You might just have hit upon the couple that are. |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Quote:
Derfel is alright. I like that its about britain of that time. It why i read Historical fiction. Its cause of the time and its people. Its not cause i like Ceasar,Arthur etc Its just that i want to see more the world. So far its only about Derfel in Merlin's land. Which is why i dislike first person in Historical Fiction. He has already given away that Derfel will join Arthur and become famous warrior. You cant wait for that thanks to foreshadowing. The priests of christ in the book give me the creeps. Cause i dont like how timelike it is in that. "We must kill everyone that isnt of the true faith " Its like the first time i heard about that in history class about those days. Religious madmen,killers of any religion makes me uncomfortable. | |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell You wouldn't read it if it was about Derfel the farmer who maybe once saw Arthur riding across a hill in the distance. At least, you wouldn't keep reading it, not after nothing happens in the fist book or two. First-person or no, you're more than likely going to go into a book like this pretty much knowing it's about Arthur -whether it be from the cover, the blurb, a recommendation, a review, whatever - and therefore that the main character is eventually going to get tangled up in his story. That he becomes a famous warrior isn't the story - it's how he becomes one that matters. For mine the narrative framework is very well executed. Perhaps it doesn't come into its own for a little while, but give it time... |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Quote:
Its the writers fault that Arthur and co dominate. Im not even fan of arthurian legend. Im ONLY read this book cause its famous book of Cornwell who is huge in HF. I would like read to Sharpe more who isnt famous historical character but i didnt find the books when i wanted them. I wouldnt mind if Derfel was the only main character if the story was good. Its first person tech im struggling with, not having Arthur who i couldnt careless of really. Im fan of certain times. Ancient Greece,Cartage,Rome etc Im not fan of historical characters in this genre except, Ghengis,Hannibal,Napoleon. Just so you know. | |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell It's not Cornwell's fault, it's his purpose. It's not like he set out to write a romance novel and this is what came out, just by accident... But on the rest - fair enough. I've meant no disrepect, mind. It's just good to have an opportunity to talk about these books - doesn't often happen. |
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| monkey is magic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rhondda Cynon Taff
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Although the warlord trilogy is based on the legend of arthur, the majority of the tale is based on Derfel and his opinions of Arthur and the events that ocurr in that time. It's BC's take on the legend that was intriging for me, not what you expect on the Legend of (king) Arthur. Winter King IMO is the weakest of the three which I found a bit hard to get through, it's not till the second book that things generally pick up story wise. I only wish that BC had written more books on Derfel's character after the events of Arthur. Derfel is one of my fav characters in BC's books and you know that he had a few more adventures after the third book cos he's writing as an old man. |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Not necessarily. As much as he may have disliked it he had pledged himself to Sansum, and he was nothing if not honourable. A quiet life with Ceinwyn, (sort of) devoted to the Christian God, with perhaps a longing for the glory days of Arthur's Britain haunting him. I think that is what awaited him. |
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| Re: The Warlord Chronicles Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell Derfel Cadrn is actually in the Arthurian legendarium. He's not as front-and-centre in the legend as Lancelot or Gawain or Merlin, for example, but he is there in most versions of the legend (although he's not quite so constant a figure in more recent interpretations). Also, the first-person viewpoint is essential in these books. I think if BC went to third-person, he'd want to cover everything and would end up with a ten-book series. Using the first-person approach forces him to move quickly and to skip events happening off-screen (other than acknowleding they happen). I'd say the greatest success in this series was in the character of Guinevere (the most well-executed character-reversal since Jaime Lannister in A Storm of Swords), whilst Lancelot was an excellent inversion of the stereotypical legend. I was disappointed with Nimue's character arc though. |
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