Dance with Dragons release date?

[Clansman]

Now that I have reflected for a while, ever think that Amazon might use its considerable marketing power to influence its suppliers?

Think that maybe they are giving Georgie boy a hint?

Or perhaps it is all a conspiracy, hatched to drive up sales....

[whiskeyntattoos]

Originally Posted by Clansman

This is not a joke, before any of you ask. Amazon has removed the Sept. 30, 2008 release date, and subsituted the following:

APRIL 30, 2013.

NO, I AM NOT LYING.

Martin hates us. He really, really does.

i cant believe your not lying he will die before this series is done at this point, the greatest unfinished work of art.. im not sad i am kind of pissed off

[whiskeyntattoos]

this is a post from his site :
Jun. 25th, 2008 at 12:50 PM


Well, I've made it across the ocean safe and sound. Typing this from an internet cafe.

No, I didn't finish the novel, though not for want of trying. Nothing to be done about that but push on when I return.

Looking forward to seeing old friends and making new ones in Spain and Portugal.

In my absence, all my email is being handled by my assistant, Ty

[Wiggum]

The book will be done when it's done.

Complaining about this is like bitching at trees because they're leaves turn color during fall.

[Overread]

Originally Posted by Wiggum

The book will be done when it's done.

Complaining about this is like bitching at trees because they're leaves turn color during fall.

true - besides its not like Amazon knows anything about the release date - they just ask someone in the publishers office (probably some really annoyed secretary who is tired of being asked every day when the book will be comming out so she just threw a random date out - and then the Amazon lacky just said "ok" and put it up

[Clansman]

Originally Posted by Wiggum

The book will be done when it's done.

Complaining about this is like bitching at trees because they're leaves turn color during fall.

Hate to disagree, but perhaps the man might consider NOT putting out release dates until it is done. Putting out a release date and then not meeting it is a kind of lying, and it pisses off people. Perhaps he should toy with the idea of sitting his arse down in his office, and start typing.

Many other authors I know of refuse to even breathe a word about release dates until they deliver the final draft to the publisher, and there is no chance of re-writes needed. I don't think the man has got past re-writes.

Meeting a deadline once in a decade would at least show that he is capable of keeping his word.

[Overread]

But he is keeping his word - his word is not to publish till its finished.
Besides its not him who keeps asking for the date - its the publishers and us who keep asking - pressure mounts up and he gives a date and works his best to get there - remember many here are writing and I know myself that there are times when it is best to put down the pen till you get in the mood - else what you write is nothing compared to what you know you can right.

Like I have said before, I don't mind waiting - patience is a virtue - and we don't really have any other choice in the matter but to wait it out

[Wiggum]

Horse.Is.Dead.

Stop.Beating.It.

[Overread]

Can I has its leg bone to chew please



helps pass the time

[whiskeyntattoos]

im not complaining thebook will be better if he sees problems with it but i will be pissed if it never gets finished

[Hilarious Joke]

Same, but I don't think that's a real concern at this stage. I'm just glad he's not content to put out pages of boring fodder a la Jordan (may he rest in peace).

[whiskeyntattoos]

i cant wait to get this book and wait 5 more years to read the next one
i guess i cant re read the series every year like i have been doing

[Werthead]

Originally Posted by Clansman

This is not a joke, before any of you ask. Amazon has removed the Sept. 30, 2008 release date, and subsituted the following:

APRIL 30, 2013.

NO, I AM NOT LYING.

Martin hates us. He really, really does.

I noticed this two days ago and informed Parris about it. They're trying to figure out what Amazon is up to. The current theory is that they were going to change it to 30 April 2009, which tracks with Voyager's UK date of 6 April 2009, but they entered the wrong year, and it'll be fixed in short order.

Either that or Amazon have got a very twisted sense of humour. The book isn't coming out five years from now, as per the publisher's press release:

George R R Martin has let us know that he will be later than expected delivering A Dance with Dragons, so we're sorry to say that we've had to postpone publication. Based on the new delivery date, we are very much hoping to be able to publish in Spring 2009. Thanks for your patience!

[KESpires]

I'm going to throw this out there and maybe it has been brought up already, but I haven't seen it.

GRRM has gone through several large hiatuses from writing. Just looking at his bibliography will attest to it all. I'm sure he's had Westeros's story in his head for a long time, but these books are massive. It is possible, just a bit, that the large time period between ASoS and AFFC was due to a large break. It is possible, also, that the large time between AFFC and ADWD is due to the same.

I think that is possibility number one. I think possibility number two is a little scarier. I think he's losing the story, or may need more time to mull over it. He is a gardener, not an architect, so it is possible that he's been doing massive re-write after massive re-write to try to correct the course without new events seeming like contrivances in our eyes. Everything has been very character driven so far, so suddenly making things event driven to correct the course would lower the quality of the series. He's got huge amounts of plot & characters to handle. I think, just a bit, that control of it is slipping.

So either way, I think we're looking at Christmas of next year or spring of the year after. I also think that the next book after ADWD may be a loooooong time coming.

But I'd rather have the quality. So I'll wait.

What choice do I have? I don't know the guy so I can't bug him over dinner to tell me other stories of Westeros to tide me over.

How much would that rock?

[Hilarious Joke]

So you don't think he planned everything out from the beginning a la J K Rowling?