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Old 28th January 2008, 09:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2.03: To the Last Man

Warning - Various Spoilers follow....

...getting more spoilered as they progress - - -

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It incorporates a hospital shifting in time, a soldier named Tommy and some never-before-seen Torchwood employees.
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Toshiko falls for a soldier who unwittingly holds the key to saving the world when the team investigates an old hospital that is haunted by ghosts from 1918.
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Every year TW revives a WW1 soldier from suspended animation, waiting for the day the world needs him for a purpose they don't yet know. He is revived for a day and let out of the Hub. He is called Tommy Brockless and Tosh looks foward to the defrosting day, and is happy to be his escort for the day. "Heart" sums up the episode apparently.
Helen Raynor wrote the episode in order to gets Tosh to "grow up" in terms of personal relations ships since she's a bit naive.
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Toshiko falls for a handsome soldier trapped out of his time, who unwittingly holds the key to saving the world. With an old hospital haunted by ghosts from 1918, a crisis foreseen by Torchwood 90 years ago is about to reach its climax. Time zones are colliding, but, with life-and-death decisions to be made, will Torchwood be able to stop an explosive end for the city of Cardiff?
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The action partially takes place at St Teilo's Military Hospital in 1918.

The Torchwood Institute once had people called Gerald and Harriet working for them.

Gwen is menaced by a one-legged man in a hospital. Very David Lynch.

Captain Jack has sealed orders from past Torchwood employees that can only be opened at a certain critical time.

Owen discovers that he is to become a father after a fling with a lady who is out of this world. Literally.

A blank piece of paper is deployed by Captain Jack to explain how a Time shift works.

Two of the Torchwood team share an almighty - distinctly non-platonic - snog.

Toshiko wears a dress for an important day at the office - and we get to see her flat!

The final shot of the episode is unbelievably moving and brilliant.
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Old 28th January 2008, 11:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 2.03: To the Last Man

I...will...resist.....
What did we ever do to you, Dave??
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Old 29th January 2008, 06:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry, but I like Time Travel stories and couldn't resist myself. It is your decision what you do, I'm only giving you the opportunity.

Just one thing from those (and no big spoilers) - and it is pure speculation - but it sounds as if there has been a Torchwood Institute in Cardiff since, at least, 1918. I hadn't realised that before. In 'Doctor Who' we saw there was a Torchwood Institute in Scotland from the time of Queen Victoria, and the one in Canary Wharf, London (which would presumably be fairly new.) We also know that the Rift was present in Cardiff during the time of Charles Dickens. The Cardiff base being very old actually fits with what has been shown - the glazed wall bricks look very much like a Victorian London Underground Station and I had wondered about that before. So, can we assume it has been there since the founding of Torchwood?
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Old 29th January 2008, 07:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It would make sense...a "head office" in London, perhaps, and a "branch" in each capital city.
Perhaps there's one in Dublin, as well, disused since 1922.
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Old 29th January 2008, 07:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The first few episodes of the first series told us that there were different branches of Torchwood. Captain Jack himself told us that:

- London is TW1
- Glasgow is TW2, and is run by "a very strange man"
- Cardiff is TW3
- And TW4 is in an unknown location. In fact, it's "missing". One can only presume that it was in Ireland

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Old 29th January 2008, 12:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 2.03: To the Last Man

Maybe the Cardiff Torchwood was established as the second as perhaps the Torchwood estate in Scotland would have been too far away from the seat of Goverment.

Cardiff would have been a good location as it was closer to the capital and safer in case of invasion, as the enemy would head for London first. The London Torchwood perhaps was the third, 1.Being the estate 2.Cardiff say a bit before WWI 3.Canary Warf in the ninties as it was built all state of the art new headquarters leaving Cardiff to be the backup team. Glasgow I havnt a clue where they fit in.
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Old 30th January 2008, 10:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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What, no comments yet?
Well, the new series continues to be head and shoulders above the first one.
A nicely intricate time travel/save the world episode, with some genuinely scary moments, and a chance for Tosh to be centre stage for a change.
Loved the "old" Torchwood operatives.

7.5/10


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Anyone else really creeped out by the moment that the nurse went down the side passage, and then stepped back and saw Gwen?
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Old 30th January 2008, 11:40 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree with your points rating, but I was expecting much more. The plot was fairly pedestrian, straightforward and not very original. Having said that, it was still much, much better than the depths of last season.

Toshi falls in love a little too easily, methinks. She's only known him for 4 days. In between his last visit, she had that one-night stand with an alien.

Where did the Time Key come from? It was sort of: here's a Time Key that you need to seal the Rift. Apparently, it came from the Torchwood vaults, but obviously not from Gerald and Harriet, since they hadn't a clue what to do until Tommy told them.

Speaking of the vaults, there were quite a few more suspended animation chambers to open. I would guess between 18 and 24. Who else are they keeping on Ice down there?

And Ianto makes tea... but eventually gets what he always wanted. I thought they could have left that unrequited love hang for a few more seasons.

And another thought: The ghosts seen back in 1918 - they were just Gwen wandering around (maybe the demolition men too, although there was no descriptions and ghosts usually wear white sheets, not yellow hard hats and fluorescent jackets!)

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Old 31st January 2008, 10:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I have to say I agree with most of what's been said already - not hugely original but not a bad episode at all. The tension was built well at times which is something I generally think Torchwood lacks. A much better effort all round.

Toshiko falling in love in four days - I suppose she's had a few years to let those feelings develop in her head even while he's not there - it's really him that had fallen for her in four days.
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It would make sense...a "head office" in London, perhaps, and a "branch" in each capital city.
Perhaps there's one in Dublin, as well, disused since 1922.
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Glasgow is TW2, and is run by "a very strange man"
I thought (but I may be wrong) that Cardiff wasn't designated as the capital of Wales until the 1960s at the earliest. (Oh, and Glasgow still isn't the capital of Scotland.)

Rift(s) aside, the places chosen are the largest, in terms of population, in their respective countries.


As to the episode itself, the key was the bit that stood out as requiring the most suspension of disbelief; we can only hope that an explanation turns up (though I doubt that it'll be in good time). The episode was again above the standards of Series One.
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The plot was fairly pedestrian, straightforward and not very original. Having said that, it was still much, much better than the depths of last season.


Where did the Time Key come from? It was sort of: here's a Time Key that you need to seal the Rift.


And Ianto makes tea... but eventually gets what he always wanted. I thought they could have left that unrequited love hang for a few more seasons.
I was disappointed with this one, although agree that that there were moments of tension. It was just SUCH a straight line plot, totally predictable, no twists.

And the locked box opening with a puff of Potter-type gold dust and the flipping Time Key, looking like something from the Golden Conmpass. ... well!

And, Dave, did you not see series 1? Ianto and Jack have already had it off (see Ianto's comments about Jack's bedroom manners last episode).

And his "love" is still unrequited, I reckon.

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Old 31st January 2008, 02:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Anyone else think the Ianto / Jack storyline is crowbarred in to give Ianto some purpose? It just seemed so irrelevant.
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First of all, something from Dav'es spoilers. particularly the one from SF-Community:

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Owen discovers that he is to become a father after a fling with a lady who is out of this world. Literally.
Wait... did I fall asleep and miss something?

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Overall, a good episode - I agree with other that it's keeping with the high standard of the season so far. Again there was a bit of humour, with one line I loved:

"Well, you could come back to mine, but there's only room for one and it's bloody freezing". I chuckled. And I have to mention, that came a minute after a glaring continuity issue - Tommy is chasing Tosh along the bridge, she drops her bag, he picks her up in a fireman's lift, and spins her around... her bag is on her shoulder. He puts her down and she drops it.

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About 21 minutes in.

Oh, and I have to say - Tosh's pad is nice. Very stylish.

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Next weeks looks like a lot of fun, but I won't say much more until the thread is started for it.
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Old 31st January 2008, 07:26 PM   #14 (permalink)
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When Tommy explained to 1918 Torchwood that they had to take him away from upstairs I thought they seemed to get the idea of what to do fairly quickly, especially when it seemed like ghosts were talking. 'Oh that means we have to put him in one of the cryogenics things and wake him up each year.'

Mind you they do deal with things like time-travel so...

The psychic bit at the end didn't seem quite right. This wee injection and Tosh can go and speak to someone telepathically.

Does anyone else think that a TV series with 1918 Torchwood would be good. A mixture of WWI and advanced alien technologies, but they can't be used for winning the war.
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I thought (but I may be wrong) that Cardiff wasn't designated as the capital of Wales until the 1960s at the earliest. (Oh, and Glasgow still isn't the capital of Scotland.)
Oops! my apologies to any Edinburghers present!

I should have said, as Ursa says, the largest city in each country.
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